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Putting Ant-Man on house arrest
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In Ant Man and the Wasp, Ant Man starts the movie on house arrest. House arrest is enforced by a standard ankle tracking monitor. Of course, this security mechanism proves woefully inadequate since, you know, he's Ant Man. He doesn't attempt to escape himself but Hank Pym needs him and shrinks him down, rendering the ankle monitor completely irrelevant.
Obviously trying to enforce house arrest using such techniques on a man who can shrink to microscopic scales is a real face palm, especially when you consider that the man who invented the technology is still at large and may have motivation to free him. It is effectively no better than the honor system. So, if the FBI (or whoever is in charge of monitoring said house arrest) wasn't full of short-sighted people, what would be better methods to enforce house arrest on a shrinking man? Modern day technology only please.
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In Ant Man and the Wasp, Ant Man starts the movie on house arrest. House arrest is enforced by a standard ankle tracking monitor. Of course, this security mechanism proves woefully inadequate since, you know, he's Ant Man. He doesn't attempt to escape himself but Hank Pym needs him and shrinks him down, rendering the ankle monitor completely irrelevant.
Obviously trying to enforce house arrest using such techniques on a man who can shrink to microscopic scales is a real face palm, especially when you consider that the man who invented the technology is still at large and may have motivation to free him. It is effectively no better than the honor system. So, if the FBI (or whoever is in charge of monitoring said house arrest) wasn't full of short-sighted people, what would be better methods to enforce house arrest on a shrinking man? Modern day technology only please.
super-powers law-enforcement
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High pressure air curtains on all exterior walls and an electrified net on the roof. Unless he goes microscopic, then all bets are off
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– nzaman
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Put Ant-Man on house arrest with Happy Hogan in the house to monitor him night and day?
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– kikirex
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@kikirex: Happy can't even monitor a teenager properly.
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– Ellesedil
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@Dubukay I'm just worried about the shrinking part for now. It seems that growing would just break an ankle monitor, resulting in the desired effect (from the law-enforcement perspective).
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– conman
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As a side-note: the shrinking in itself doesn't necessarily appear to be a problem in the first place in-universe. So far the world only knows that he can shrink in his suit, which he doesn't wear when they put the tag on him, so he'd have to get the monitor off to put the suit on or keep it on when shrinking...
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In Ant Man and the Wasp, Ant Man starts the movie on house arrest. House arrest is enforced by a standard ankle tracking monitor. Of course, this security mechanism proves woefully inadequate since, you know, he's Ant Man. He doesn't attempt to escape himself but Hank Pym needs him and shrinks him down, rendering the ankle monitor completely irrelevant.
Obviously trying to enforce house arrest using such techniques on a man who can shrink to microscopic scales is a real face palm, especially when you consider that the man who invented the technology is still at large and may have motivation to free him. It is effectively no better than the honor system. So, if the FBI (or whoever is in charge of monitoring said house arrest) wasn't full of short-sighted people, what would be better methods to enforce house arrest on a shrinking man? Modern day technology only please.
super-powers law-enforcement
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In Ant Man and the Wasp, Ant Man starts the movie on house arrest. House arrest is enforced by a standard ankle tracking monitor. Of course, this security mechanism proves woefully inadequate since, you know, he's Ant Man. He doesn't attempt to escape himself but Hank Pym needs him and shrinks him down, rendering the ankle monitor completely irrelevant.
Obviously trying to enforce house arrest using such techniques on a man who can shrink to microscopic scales is a real face palm, especially when you consider that the man who invented the technology is still at large and may have motivation to free him. It is effectively no better than the honor system. So, if the FBI (or whoever is in charge of monitoring said house arrest) wasn't full of short-sighted people, what would be better methods to enforce house arrest on a shrinking man? Modern day technology only please.
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High pressure air curtains on all exterior walls and an electrified net on the roof. Unless he goes microscopic, then all bets are off
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– nzaman
5 hours ago
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Put Ant-Man on house arrest with Happy Hogan in the house to monitor him night and day?
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– kikirex
4 hours ago
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@kikirex: Happy can't even monitor a teenager properly.
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– Ellesedil
4 hours ago
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@Dubukay I'm just worried about the shrinking part for now. It seems that growing would just break an ankle monitor, resulting in the desired effect (from the law-enforcement perspective).
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– conman
3 hours ago
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As a side-note: the shrinking in itself doesn't necessarily appear to be a problem in the first place in-universe. So far the world only knows that he can shrink in his suit, which he doesn't wear when they put the tag on him, so he'd have to get the monitor off to put the suit on or keep it on when shrinking...
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– Frank Hopkins
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High pressure air curtains on all exterior walls and an electrified net on the roof. Unless he goes microscopic, then all bets are off
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– nzaman
5 hours ago
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Put Ant-Man on house arrest with Happy Hogan in the house to monitor him night and day?
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– kikirex
4 hours ago
3
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@kikirex: Happy can't even monitor a teenager properly.
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– Ellesedil
4 hours ago
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@Dubukay I'm just worried about the shrinking part for now. It seems that growing would just break an ankle monitor, resulting in the desired effect (from the law-enforcement perspective).
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– conman
3 hours ago
4
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As a side-note: the shrinking in itself doesn't necessarily appear to be a problem in the first place in-universe. So far the world only knows that he can shrink in his suit, which he doesn't wear when they put the tag on him, so he'd have to get the monitor off to put the suit on or keep it on when shrinking...
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– Frank Hopkins
3 hours ago
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High pressure air curtains on all exterior walls and an electrified net on the roof. Unless he goes microscopic, then all bets are off
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– nzaman
5 hours ago
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High pressure air curtains on all exterior walls and an electrified net on the roof. Unless he goes microscopic, then all bets are off
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– nzaman
5 hours ago
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4
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Put Ant-Man on house arrest with Happy Hogan in the house to monitor him night and day?
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– kikirex
4 hours ago
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Put Ant-Man on house arrest with Happy Hogan in the house to monitor him night and day?
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– kikirex
4 hours ago
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@kikirex: Happy can't even monitor a teenager properly.
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– Ellesedil
4 hours ago
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@kikirex: Happy can't even monitor a teenager properly.
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– Ellesedil
4 hours ago
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@Dubukay I'm just worried about the shrinking part for now. It seems that growing would just break an ankle monitor, resulting in the desired effect (from the law-enforcement perspective).
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– conman
3 hours ago
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@Dubukay I'm just worried about the shrinking part for now. It seems that growing would just break an ankle monitor, resulting in the desired effect (from the law-enforcement perspective).
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– conman
3 hours ago
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4
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As a side-note: the shrinking in itself doesn't necessarily appear to be a problem in the first place in-universe. So far the world only knows that he can shrink in his suit, which he doesn't wear when they put the tag on him, so he'd have to get the monitor off to put the suit on or keep it on when shrinking...
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– Frank Hopkins
3 hours ago
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As a side-note: the shrinking in itself doesn't necessarily appear to be a problem in the first place in-universe. So far the world only knows that he can shrink in his suit, which he doesn't wear when they put the tag on him, so he'd have to get the monitor off to put the suit on or keep it on when shrinking...
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How do they keep normal people from jimmying the anklet with a screwdriver? By making it tamper-evident. Sure, it's possible to compromise the electronics, but you're going to have a lot of explaining to do when they take a look at it.
So the basic idea is that if Ant-Man shrinks out of the bracelet, it either sets off an alarm or is indelibly marked (or both). Perhaps an elastic band that, if detached, will shrink and bring electric contacts together, triggering an alarm. Or the contacts could be latches that will break if forced apart.
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That is both simpler and more elegant than anything I was coming up with myself!
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– conman
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A heat sensor would do it, though I'm thinking surgical steel through the leg, myself.
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– JBH
4 hours ago
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@JBH I saw Dr. Phil do something like that when helping a severe alcohol. Her ankle monitor had heat sensors that could somehow monitor her BAC.
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Use an ankle monitor that also records Ant Man's pulse
If his pulse stops, then it sets off an alarm, indicating that he's either dead, or he has removed it (probably by shrinking).
In general, the fact that ankle bracelets are hard to remove, is really only secondary to the fact that if they are removed the authorities are notified, or at least that the tampering is evident. I mean, almost anyone can get out of an ankle bracelet with a pair of bolt cutters anyway.
House arrest is used when the offender is actually trusted by law enforcement to comply with the terms of their house arrest. Violating those terms is grounds for the privilege of house arrest to be revoked, so it is usually not worth it to them to violate the terms. The same philosophy would apply to Ant Man.
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Shrink his house
Give him a taste of his own poison. Shrink his home and have it kept inside a glass dome. This makes it easier and cheaper to have surveylance 24/7 around the house, so that if he wants to leave, he'll have to traverse the quantum realm. That's opening up a storageroom full of cans of worms, so it might just be deterrent enough.
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i used to catch bees in a glass jar
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I like the idea but isn't the Ant-Man suit supposed to act as a confinment field while he doesn't have his real size? He can't get it off when he is small (or big) without risking to end like Yellowjacket in the first movie. Ants don't need it because exoskeletons, but he can't stay ant-sized 24/7 because he'll have to eat at some time.
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@kikirex no, that is just lazy writing from the MCU staff. If we were to make a scientific analysis of the movie the square cube law would spoil the fun on every turn of events.
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The house is surrounded by a moat. A small one, filled with vinegar. Humans just step over. But an real-life ant could not traverse it. Some ants can swim or float in water. The purpose of the vinegar is to make it too noxious to try. Or use water with some oil on top. This reduces the surface tension of the water so that the ant can not float.
Ant Man is an ant-sized human, not an actual ant, but he'd still need to either float or swim across the moat. Make the sides too slippery to climb up and the liquid impossible to survive.
So maybe Ant Man shrinks to exit the house then grows to step over the moat then shrinks again to sneak away. To prevent that, make sure the moat has a fence on both sides. No human can get in or out of it and it's too small to transform to human-sized while inside. The fence can be electrified so the small version of Ant Man can not climb it.
Honestly, room arrest (in a lovely glass or plexiglass cage with mini-moats at the threshold of the door and any other openings) makes much more sense. Combine it with great security cameras to know when or if he shrinks. Not fun for privacy, but necessary due to his superpowers.
If he can stay shrunk down for the duration of his confinement, then your job is easy. Constructing a box with tiny doll furniture and no escape is quite simple. The boxes probably already exist retail.
If you can't shrink him or confine him to a room or set of rooms, your best hope might be psychological. Make the penalty for violating the house arrest too great to transgress. Like custody of his kids, if he has any. Losing his job. Etc. Fines wouldn't do it as whoever breaks him out would just pay them.
House arrest in real life is only sometimes literal. In the United States, prisoners are allowed to leave their homes for work, school, medical and other appointments, even to run errands. It's restricted and they have to inform the police where they are going and when. Their ankle monitors are to find them if they flee.
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Very applicable because in this case Ant Man had no desire to actually escape because doing so would result in jail time and with it, the possibility of partial custody with his daughter (IIRC). From that perspective, the ankle monitor was sufficient. It only became a problem because someone else with shrinking powers did not want him to stay in house arrest.
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When KGB was monitoring someone and wanted to be sure to track them wherever they'd go, they used to sprinkle some radioactive dust on the door mat.
Then a Geiger counter was sufficient to their movement, since the radioactive dust, sticking on the sole of their shoes, would emit radioactivity all around.
The only way to go around this was to strip naked and throw away all one was wearing and replace it with new things (CIA knew about this trick after losing some agents).
Antman can shrink, but shrinking won't remove radioactive dust sticking to his clothes/shoes. Just set a Geiger barrier around the confinement area, and as soon as it triggers you know that he is trying something.
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what would be better methods to enforce house arrest on a shrinking man?
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You are incarcerating a superhero. That warrants the presence and expense of a fulltime guard. Details like privacy and comfort can be negotiated later, but since this is an alternative to prison, I think Ant Man would be willing to sign away the privacy considerations as part of the terms.
Of course, the guard could be incapacitated, but the goal isn't to keep Ant Man confined to the home, but rather detect if he gets out, then send an army to collect him. If a guard, consisting of 2-3 people at at time, loses visual for more than five minutes or whatever, it can be reported that he has left the premise.
A back of the envelope calculation for cost would be three guards at once, three shifts a day for two years, or about twenty salaries. If these are extremely competent and highly-capable guards, we're looking at an order of magnitude $100K salaries or an upper-bound of $2 million total to keep Ant Man under house arrest with full confidence that he didn't leave (or immediately detecting if he does).
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Insecticide
Have heat sensors in every room. If he shrinks they will trip and set off insecticide spray.
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Look at this https://www.asianscientist.com/2018/05/in-the-lab/shape-memory-porous-material/. It's a metal fibre that changes its shape depending on the prevailing conditions , it gets smaller the hotter it is and larger the cooler it is. If ant man shrinks , then he is reducing his mass , by the famous $E=mc^2$, formula for every bit of mass he loses energy is lost to the environment. This energy loss will heat the surroundings, so if this metal was placed around his ankle and he started to shrink it would also shrink with him. Now it should be noted that there is a minimum size to which this metal can shrink , but then again if you arranged it instead in some type of coil rather than just a normal circle , that the coil would pull closer together as it shrunk so it could reach a still smaller size relative to its starting shape.
I think this is the closest one could have with current technology to an ankle bracelet that can still be applied to a shrinking man.
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How do they keep normal people from jimmying the anklet with a screwdriver? By making it tamper-evident. Sure, it's possible to compromise the electronics, but you're going to have a lot of explaining to do when they take a look at it.
So the basic idea is that if Ant-Man shrinks out of the bracelet, it either sets off an alarm or is indelibly marked (or both). Perhaps an elastic band that, if detached, will shrink and bring electric contacts together, triggering an alarm. Or the contacts could be latches that will break if forced apart.
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That is both simpler and more elegant than anything I was coming up with myself!
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– conman
5 hours ago
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A heat sensor would do it, though I'm thinking surgical steel through the leg, myself.
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– JBH
4 hours ago
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@JBH I saw Dr. Phil do something like that when helping a severe alcohol. Her ankle monitor had heat sensors that could somehow monitor her BAC.
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
37 mins ago
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How do they keep normal people from jimmying the anklet with a screwdriver? By making it tamper-evident. Sure, it's possible to compromise the electronics, but you're going to have a lot of explaining to do when they take a look at it.
So the basic idea is that if Ant-Man shrinks out of the bracelet, it either sets off an alarm or is indelibly marked (or both). Perhaps an elastic band that, if detached, will shrink and bring electric contacts together, triggering an alarm. Or the contacts could be latches that will break if forced apart.
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That is both simpler and more elegant than anything I was coming up with myself!
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– conman
5 hours ago
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A heat sensor would do it, though I'm thinking surgical steel through the leg, myself.
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– JBH
4 hours ago
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@JBH I saw Dr. Phil do something like that when helping a severe alcohol. Her ankle monitor had heat sensors that could somehow monitor her BAC.
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
37 mins ago
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How do they keep normal people from jimmying the anklet with a screwdriver? By making it tamper-evident. Sure, it's possible to compromise the electronics, but you're going to have a lot of explaining to do when they take a look at it.
So the basic idea is that if Ant-Man shrinks out of the bracelet, it either sets off an alarm or is indelibly marked (or both). Perhaps an elastic band that, if detached, will shrink and bring electric contacts together, triggering an alarm. Or the contacts could be latches that will break if forced apart.
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How do they keep normal people from jimmying the anklet with a screwdriver? By making it tamper-evident. Sure, it's possible to compromise the electronics, but you're going to have a lot of explaining to do when they take a look at it.
So the basic idea is that if Ant-Man shrinks out of the bracelet, it either sets off an alarm or is indelibly marked (or both). Perhaps an elastic band that, if detached, will shrink and bring electric contacts together, triggering an alarm. Or the contacts could be latches that will break if forced apart.
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That is both simpler and more elegant than anything I was coming up with myself!
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– conman
5 hours ago
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A heat sensor would do it, though I'm thinking surgical steel through the leg, myself.
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– JBH
4 hours ago
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@JBH I saw Dr. Phil do something like that when helping a severe alcohol. Her ankle monitor had heat sensors that could somehow monitor her BAC.
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
37 mins ago
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That is both simpler and more elegant than anything I was coming up with myself!
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– conman
5 hours ago
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A heat sensor would do it, though I'm thinking surgical steel through the leg, myself.
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– JBH
4 hours ago
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@JBH I saw Dr. Phil do something like that when helping a severe alcohol. Her ankle monitor had heat sensors that could somehow monitor her BAC.
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
37 mins ago
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That is both simpler and more elegant than anything I was coming up with myself!
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– conman
5 hours ago
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That is both simpler and more elegant than anything I was coming up with myself!
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– conman
5 hours ago
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A heat sensor would do it, though I'm thinking surgical steel through the leg, myself.
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– JBH
4 hours ago
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A heat sensor would do it, though I'm thinking surgical steel through the leg, myself.
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– JBH
4 hours ago
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@JBH I saw Dr. Phil do something like that when helping a severe alcohol. Her ankle monitor had heat sensors that could somehow monitor her BAC.
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
37 mins ago
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@JBH I saw Dr. Phil do something like that when helping a severe alcohol. Her ankle monitor had heat sensors that could somehow monitor her BAC.
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
37 mins ago
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Use an ankle monitor that also records Ant Man's pulse
If his pulse stops, then it sets off an alarm, indicating that he's either dead, or he has removed it (probably by shrinking).
In general, the fact that ankle bracelets are hard to remove, is really only secondary to the fact that if they are removed the authorities are notified, or at least that the tampering is evident. I mean, almost anyone can get out of an ankle bracelet with a pair of bolt cutters anyway.
House arrest is used when the offender is actually trusted by law enforcement to comply with the terms of their house arrest. Violating those terms is grounds for the privilege of house arrest to be revoked, so it is usually not worth it to them to violate the terms. The same philosophy would apply to Ant Man.
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Use an ankle monitor that also records Ant Man's pulse
If his pulse stops, then it sets off an alarm, indicating that he's either dead, or he has removed it (probably by shrinking).
In general, the fact that ankle bracelets are hard to remove, is really only secondary to the fact that if they are removed the authorities are notified, or at least that the tampering is evident. I mean, almost anyone can get out of an ankle bracelet with a pair of bolt cutters anyway.
House arrest is used when the offender is actually trusted by law enforcement to comply with the terms of their house arrest. Violating those terms is grounds for the privilege of house arrest to be revoked, so it is usually not worth it to them to violate the terms. The same philosophy would apply to Ant Man.
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Use an ankle monitor that also records Ant Man's pulse
If his pulse stops, then it sets off an alarm, indicating that he's either dead, or he has removed it (probably by shrinking).
In general, the fact that ankle bracelets are hard to remove, is really only secondary to the fact that if they are removed the authorities are notified, or at least that the tampering is evident. I mean, almost anyone can get out of an ankle bracelet with a pair of bolt cutters anyway.
House arrest is used when the offender is actually trusted by law enforcement to comply with the terms of their house arrest. Violating those terms is grounds for the privilege of house arrest to be revoked, so it is usually not worth it to them to violate the terms. The same philosophy would apply to Ant Man.
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Use an ankle monitor that also records Ant Man's pulse
If his pulse stops, then it sets off an alarm, indicating that he's either dead, or he has removed it (probably by shrinking).
In general, the fact that ankle bracelets are hard to remove, is really only secondary to the fact that if they are removed the authorities are notified, or at least that the tampering is evident. I mean, almost anyone can get out of an ankle bracelet with a pair of bolt cutters anyway.
House arrest is used when the offender is actually trusted by law enforcement to comply with the terms of their house arrest. Violating those terms is grounds for the privilege of house arrest to be revoked, so it is usually not worth it to them to violate the terms. The same philosophy would apply to Ant Man.
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Shrink his house
Give him a taste of his own poison. Shrink his home and have it kept inside a glass dome. This makes it easier and cheaper to have surveylance 24/7 around the house, so that if he wants to leave, he'll have to traverse the quantum realm. That's opening up a storageroom full of cans of worms, so it might just be deterrent enough.
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i used to catch bees in a glass jar
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– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
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I like the idea but isn't the Ant-Man suit supposed to act as a confinment field while he doesn't have his real size? He can't get it off when he is small (or big) without risking to end like Yellowjacket in the first movie. Ants don't need it because exoskeletons, but he can't stay ant-sized 24/7 because he'll have to eat at some time.
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– kikirex
1 hour ago
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@kikirex no, that is just lazy writing from the MCU staff. If we were to make a scientific analysis of the movie the square cube law would spoil the fun on every turn of events.
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– Renan
58 mins ago
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Shrink his house
Give him a taste of his own poison. Shrink his home and have it kept inside a glass dome. This makes it easier and cheaper to have surveylance 24/7 around the house, so that if he wants to leave, he'll have to traverse the quantum realm. That's opening up a storageroom full of cans of worms, so it might just be deterrent enough.
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i used to catch bees in a glass jar
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– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
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I like the idea but isn't the Ant-Man suit supposed to act as a confinment field while he doesn't have his real size? He can't get it off when he is small (or big) without risking to end like Yellowjacket in the first movie. Ants don't need it because exoskeletons, but he can't stay ant-sized 24/7 because he'll have to eat at some time.
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– kikirex
1 hour ago
2
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@kikirex no, that is just lazy writing from the MCU staff. If we were to make a scientific analysis of the movie the square cube law would spoil the fun on every turn of events.
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– Renan
58 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Shrink his house
Give him a taste of his own poison. Shrink his home and have it kept inside a glass dome. This makes it easier and cheaper to have surveylance 24/7 around the house, so that if he wants to leave, he'll have to traverse the quantum realm. That's opening up a storageroom full of cans of worms, so it might just be deterrent enough.
$endgroup$
Shrink his house
Give him a taste of his own poison. Shrink his home and have it kept inside a glass dome. This makes it easier and cheaper to have surveylance 24/7 around the house, so that if he wants to leave, he'll have to traverse the quantum realm. That's opening up a storageroom full of cans of worms, so it might just be deterrent enough.
answered 4 hours ago
RenanRenan
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i used to catch bees in a glass jar
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– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
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I like the idea but isn't the Ant-Man suit supposed to act as a confinment field while he doesn't have his real size? He can't get it off when he is small (or big) without risking to end like Yellowjacket in the first movie. Ants don't need it because exoskeletons, but he can't stay ant-sized 24/7 because he'll have to eat at some time.
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– kikirex
1 hour ago
2
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@kikirex no, that is just lazy writing from the MCU staff. If we were to make a scientific analysis of the movie the square cube law would spoil the fun on every turn of events.
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– Renan
58 mins ago
add a comment |
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i used to catch bees in a glass jar
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– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
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I like the idea but isn't the Ant-Man suit supposed to act as a confinment field while he doesn't have his real size? He can't get it off when he is small (or big) without risking to end like Yellowjacket in the first movie. Ants don't need it because exoskeletons, but he can't stay ant-sized 24/7 because he'll have to eat at some time.
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– kikirex
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
@kikirex no, that is just lazy writing from the MCU staff. If we were to make a scientific analysis of the movie the square cube law would spoil the fun on every turn of events.
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– Renan
58 mins ago
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i used to catch bees in a glass jar
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– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
i used to catch bees in a glass jar
$endgroup$
– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
I like the idea but isn't the Ant-Man suit supposed to act as a confinment field while he doesn't have his real size? He can't get it off when he is small (or big) without risking to end like Yellowjacket in the first movie. Ants don't need it because exoskeletons, but he can't stay ant-sized 24/7 because he'll have to eat at some time.
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– kikirex
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I like the idea but isn't the Ant-Man suit supposed to act as a confinment field while he doesn't have his real size? He can't get it off when he is small (or big) without risking to end like Yellowjacket in the first movie. Ants don't need it because exoskeletons, but he can't stay ant-sized 24/7 because he'll have to eat at some time.
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– kikirex
1 hour ago
2
2
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@kikirex no, that is just lazy writing from the MCU staff. If we were to make a scientific analysis of the movie the square cube law would spoil the fun on every turn of events.
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– Renan
58 mins ago
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@kikirex no, that is just lazy writing from the MCU staff. If we were to make a scientific analysis of the movie the square cube law would spoil the fun on every turn of events.
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– Renan
58 mins ago
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The house is surrounded by a moat. A small one, filled with vinegar. Humans just step over. But an real-life ant could not traverse it. Some ants can swim or float in water. The purpose of the vinegar is to make it too noxious to try. Or use water with some oil on top. This reduces the surface tension of the water so that the ant can not float.
Ant Man is an ant-sized human, not an actual ant, but he'd still need to either float or swim across the moat. Make the sides too slippery to climb up and the liquid impossible to survive.
So maybe Ant Man shrinks to exit the house then grows to step over the moat then shrinks again to sneak away. To prevent that, make sure the moat has a fence on both sides. No human can get in or out of it and it's too small to transform to human-sized while inside. The fence can be electrified so the small version of Ant Man can not climb it.
Honestly, room arrest (in a lovely glass or plexiglass cage with mini-moats at the threshold of the door and any other openings) makes much more sense. Combine it with great security cameras to know when or if he shrinks. Not fun for privacy, but necessary due to his superpowers.
If he can stay shrunk down for the duration of his confinement, then your job is easy. Constructing a box with tiny doll furniture and no escape is quite simple. The boxes probably already exist retail.
If you can't shrink him or confine him to a room or set of rooms, your best hope might be psychological. Make the penalty for violating the house arrest too great to transgress. Like custody of his kids, if he has any. Losing his job. Etc. Fines wouldn't do it as whoever breaks him out would just pay them.
House arrest in real life is only sometimes literal. In the United States, prisoners are allowed to leave their homes for work, school, medical and other appointments, even to run errands. It's restricted and they have to inform the police where they are going and when. Their ankle monitors are to find them if they flee.
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Very applicable because in this case Ant Man had no desire to actually escape because doing so would result in jail time and with it, the possibility of partial custody with his daughter (IIRC). From that perspective, the ankle monitor was sufficient. It only became a problem because someone else with shrinking powers did not want him to stay in house arrest.
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– conman
3 hours ago
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The house is surrounded by a moat. A small one, filled with vinegar. Humans just step over. But an real-life ant could not traverse it. Some ants can swim or float in water. The purpose of the vinegar is to make it too noxious to try. Or use water with some oil on top. This reduces the surface tension of the water so that the ant can not float.
Ant Man is an ant-sized human, not an actual ant, but he'd still need to either float or swim across the moat. Make the sides too slippery to climb up and the liquid impossible to survive.
So maybe Ant Man shrinks to exit the house then grows to step over the moat then shrinks again to sneak away. To prevent that, make sure the moat has a fence on both sides. No human can get in or out of it and it's too small to transform to human-sized while inside. The fence can be electrified so the small version of Ant Man can not climb it.
Honestly, room arrest (in a lovely glass or plexiglass cage with mini-moats at the threshold of the door and any other openings) makes much more sense. Combine it with great security cameras to know when or if he shrinks. Not fun for privacy, but necessary due to his superpowers.
If he can stay shrunk down for the duration of his confinement, then your job is easy. Constructing a box with tiny doll furniture and no escape is quite simple. The boxes probably already exist retail.
If you can't shrink him or confine him to a room or set of rooms, your best hope might be psychological. Make the penalty for violating the house arrest too great to transgress. Like custody of his kids, if he has any. Losing his job. Etc. Fines wouldn't do it as whoever breaks him out would just pay them.
House arrest in real life is only sometimes literal. In the United States, prisoners are allowed to leave their homes for work, school, medical and other appointments, even to run errands. It's restricted and they have to inform the police where they are going and when. Their ankle monitors are to find them if they flee.
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Very applicable because in this case Ant Man had no desire to actually escape because doing so would result in jail time and with it, the possibility of partial custody with his daughter (IIRC). From that perspective, the ankle monitor was sufficient. It only became a problem because someone else with shrinking powers did not want him to stay in house arrest.
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– conman
3 hours ago
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The house is surrounded by a moat. A small one, filled with vinegar. Humans just step over. But an real-life ant could not traverse it. Some ants can swim or float in water. The purpose of the vinegar is to make it too noxious to try. Or use water with some oil on top. This reduces the surface tension of the water so that the ant can not float.
Ant Man is an ant-sized human, not an actual ant, but he'd still need to either float or swim across the moat. Make the sides too slippery to climb up and the liquid impossible to survive.
So maybe Ant Man shrinks to exit the house then grows to step over the moat then shrinks again to sneak away. To prevent that, make sure the moat has a fence on both sides. No human can get in or out of it and it's too small to transform to human-sized while inside. The fence can be electrified so the small version of Ant Man can not climb it.
Honestly, room arrest (in a lovely glass or plexiglass cage with mini-moats at the threshold of the door and any other openings) makes much more sense. Combine it with great security cameras to know when or if he shrinks. Not fun for privacy, but necessary due to his superpowers.
If he can stay shrunk down for the duration of his confinement, then your job is easy. Constructing a box with tiny doll furniture and no escape is quite simple. The boxes probably already exist retail.
If you can't shrink him or confine him to a room or set of rooms, your best hope might be psychological. Make the penalty for violating the house arrest too great to transgress. Like custody of his kids, if he has any. Losing his job. Etc. Fines wouldn't do it as whoever breaks him out would just pay them.
House arrest in real life is only sometimes literal. In the United States, prisoners are allowed to leave their homes for work, school, medical and other appointments, even to run errands. It's restricted and they have to inform the police where they are going and when. Their ankle monitors are to find them if they flee.
$endgroup$
The house is surrounded by a moat. A small one, filled with vinegar. Humans just step over. But an real-life ant could not traverse it. Some ants can swim or float in water. The purpose of the vinegar is to make it too noxious to try. Or use water with some oil on top. This reduces the surface tension of the water so that the ant can not float.
Ant Man is an ant-sized human, not an actual ant, but he'd still need to either float or swim across the moat. Make the sides too slippery to climb up and the liquid impossible to survive.
So maybe Ant Man shrinks to exit the house then grows to step over the moat then shrinks again to sneak away. To prevent that, make sure the moat has a fence on both sides. No human can get in or out of it and it's too small to transform to human-sized while inside. The fence can be electrified so the small version of Ant Man can not climb it.
Honestly, room arrest (in a lovely glass or plexiglass cage with mini-moats at the threshold of the door and any other openings) makes much more sense. Combine it with great security cameras to know when or if he shrinks. Not fun for privacy, but necessary due to his superpowers.
If he can stay shrunk down for the duration of his confinement, then your job is easy. Constructing a box with tiny doll furniture and no escape is quite simple. The boxes probably already exist retail.
If you can't shrink him or confine him to a room or set of rooms, your best hope might be psychological. Make the penalty for violating the house arrest too great to transgress. Like custody of his kids, if he has any. Losing his job. Etc. Fines wouldn't do it as whoever breaks him out would just pay them.
House arrest in real life is only sometimes literal. In the United States, prisoners are allowed to leave their homes for work, school, medical and other appointments, even to run errands. It's restricted and they have to inform the police where they are going and when. Their ankle monitors are to find them if they flee.
answered 4 hours ago
CynCyn
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Very applicable because in this case Ant Man had no desire to actually escape because doing so would result in jail time and with it, the possibility of partial custody with his daughter (IIRC). From that perspective, the ankle monitor was sufficient. It only became a problem because someone else with shrinking powers did not want him to stay in house arrest.
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– conman
3 hours ago
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Very applicable because in this case Ant Man had no desire to actually escape because doing so would result in jail time and with it, the possibility of partial custody with his daughter (IIRC). From that perspective, the ankle monitor was sufficient. It only became a problem because someone else with shrinking powers did not want him to stay in house arrest.
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– conman
3 hours ago
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Very applicable because in this case Ant Man had no desire to actually escape because doing so would result in jail time and with it, the possibility of partial custody with his daughter (IIRC). From that perspective, the ankle monitor was sufficient. It only became a problem because someone else with shrinking powers did not want him to stay in house arrest.
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– conman
3 hours ago
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Very applicable because in this case Ant Man had no desire to actually escape because doing so would result in jail time and with it, the possibility of partial custody with his daughter (IIRC). From that perspective, the ankle monitor was sufficient. It only became a problem because someone else with shrinking powers did not want him to stay in house arrest.
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– conman
3 hours ago
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When KGB was monitoring someone and wanted to be sure to track them wherever they'd go, they used to sprinkle some radioactive dust on the door mat.
Then a Geiger counter was sufficient to their movement, since the radioactive dust, sticking on the sole of their shoes, would emit radioactivity all around.
The only way to go around this was to strip naked and throw away all one was wearing and replace it with new things (CIA knew about this trick after losing some agents).
Antman can shrink, but shrinking won't remove radioactive dust sticking to his clothes/shoes. Just set a Geiger barrier around the confinement area, and as soon as it triggers you know that he is trying something.
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When KGB was monitoring someone and wanted to be sure to track them wherever they'd go, they used to sprinkle some radioactive dust on the door mat.
Then a Geiger counter was sufficient to their movement, since the radioactive dust, sticking on the sole of their shoes, would emit radioactivity all around.
The only way to go around this was to strip naked and throw away all one was wearing and replace it with new things (CIA knew about this trick after losing some agents).
Antman can shrink, but shrinking won't remove radioactive dust sticking to his clothes/shoes. Just set a Geiger barrier around the confinement area, and as soon as it triggers you know that he is trying something.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
When KGB was monitoring someone and wanted to be sure to track them wherever they'd go, they used to sprinkle some radioactive dust on the door mat.
Then a Geiger counter was sufficient to their movement, since the radioactive dust, sticking on the sole of their shoes, would emit radioactivity all around.
The only way to go around this was to strip naked and throw away all one was wearing and replace it with new things (CIA knew about this trick after losing some agents).
Antman can shrink, but shrinking won't remove radioactive dust sticking to his clothes/shoes. Just set a Geiger barrier around the confinement area, and as soon as it triggers you know that he is trying something.
$endgroup$
When KGB was monitoring someone and wanted to be sure to track them wherever they'd go, they used to sprinkle some radioactive dust on the door mat.
Then a Geiger counter was sufficient to their movement, since the radioactive dust, sticking on the sole of their shoes, would emit radioactivity all around.
The only way to go around this was to strip naked and throw away all one was wearing and replace it with new things (CIA knew about this trick after losing some agents).
Antman can shrink, but shrinking won't remove radioactive dust sticking to his clothes/shoes. Just set a Geiger barrier around the confinement area, and as soon as it triggers you know that he is trying something.
answered 3 hours ago
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
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what would be better methods to enforce house arrest on a shrinking man?
Use people
You are incarcerating a superhero. That warrants the presence and expense of a fulltime guard. Details like privacy and comfort can be negotiated later, but since this is an alternative to prison, I think Ant Man would be willing to sign away the privacy considerations as part of the terms.
Of course, the guard could be incapacitated, but the goal isn't to keep Ant Man confined to the home, but rather detect if he gets out, then send an army to collect him. If a guard, consisting of 2-3 people at at time, loses visual for more than five minutes or whatever, it can be reported that he has left the premise.
A back of the envelope calculation for cost would be three guards at once, three shifts a day for two years, or about twenty salaries. If these are extremely competent and highly-capable guards, we're looking at an order of magnitude $100K salaries or an upper-bound of $2 million total to keep Ant Man under house arrest with full confidence that he didn't leave (or immediately detecting if he does).
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what would be better methods to enforce house arrest on a shrinking man?
Use people
You are incarcerating a superhero. That warrants the presence and expense of a fulltime guard. Details like privacy and comfort can be negotiated later, but since this is an alternative to prison, I think Ant Man would be willing to sign away the privacy considerations as part of the terms.
Of course, the guard could be incapacitated, but the goal isn't to keep Ant Man confined to the home, but rather detect if he gets out, then send an army to collect him. If a guard, consisting of 2-3 people at at time, loses visual for more than five minutes or whatever, it can be reported that he has left the premise.
A back of the envelope calculation for cost would be three guards at once, three shifts a day for two years, or about twenty salaries. If these are extremely competent and highly-capable guards, we're looking at an order of magnitude $100K salaries or an upper-bound of $2 million total to keep Ant Man under house arrest with full confidence that he didn't leave (or immediately detecting if he does).
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what would be better methods to enforce house arrest on a shrinking man?
Use people
You are incarcerating a superhero. That warrants the presence and expense of a fulltime guard. Details like privacy and comfort can be negotiated later, but since this is an alternative to prison, I think Ant Man would be willing to sign away the privacy considerations as part of the terms.
Of course, the guard could be incapacitated, but the goal isn't to keep Ant Man confined to the home, but rather detect if he gets out, then send an army to collect him. If a guard, consisting of 2-3 people at at time, loses visual for more than five minutes or whatever, it can be reported that he has left the premise.
A back of the envelope calculation for cost would be three guards at once, three shifts a day for two years, or about twenty salaries. If these are extremely competent and highly-capable guards, we're looking at an order of magnitude $100K salaries or an upper-bound of $2 million total to keep Ant Man under house arrest with full confidence that he didn't leave (or immediately detecting if he does).
$endgroup$
what would be better methods to enforce house arrest on a shrinking man?
Use people
You are incarcerating a superhero. That warrants the presence and expense of a fulltime guard. Details like privacy and comfort can be negotiated later, but since this is an alternative to prison, I think Ant Man would be willing to sign away the privacy considerations as part of the terms.
Of course, the guard could be incapacitated, but the goal isn't to keep Ant Man confined to the home, but rather detect if he gets out, then send an army to collect him. If a guard, consisting of 2-3 people at at time, loses visual for more than five minutes or whatever, it can be reported that he has left the premise.
A back of the envelope calculation for cost would be three guards at once, three shifts a day for two years, or about twenty salaries. If these are extremely competent and highly-capable guards, we're looking at an order of magnitude $100K salaries or an upper-bound of $2 million total to keep Ant Man under house arrest with full confidence that he didn't leave (or immediately detecting if he does).
answered 2 hours ago
user1717828user1717828
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Insecticide
Have heat sensors in every room. If he shrinks they will trip and set off insecticide spray.
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Insecticide
Have heat sensors in every room. If he shrinks they will trip and set off insecticide spray.
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Insecticide
Have heat sensors in every room. If he shrinks they will trip and set off insecticide spray.
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Insecticide
Have heat sensors in every room. If he shrinks they will trip and set off insecticide spray.
answered 3 hours ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
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Look at this https://www.asianscientist.com/2018/05/in-the-lab/shape-memory-porous-material/. It's a metal fibre that changes its shape depending on the prevailing conditions , it gets smaller the hotter it is and larger the cooler it is. If ant man shrinks , then he is reducing his mass , by the famous $E=mc^2$, formula for every bit of mass he loses energy is lost to the environment. This energy loss will heat the surroundings, so if this metal was placed around his ankle and he started to shrink it would also shrink with him. Now it should be noted that there is a minimum size to which this metal can shrink , but then again if you arranged it instead in some type of coil rather than just a normal circle , that the coil would pull closer together as it shrunk so it could reach a still smaller size relative to its starting shape.
I think this is the closest one could have with current technology to an ankle bracelet that can still be applied to a shrinking man.
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Look at this https://www.asianscientist.com/2018/05/in-the-lab/shape-memory-porous-material/. It's a metal fibre that changes its shape depending on the prevailing conditions , it gets smaller the hotter it is and larger the cooler it is. If ant man shrinks , then he is reducing his mass , by the famous $E=mc^2$, formula for every bit of mass he loses energy is lost to the environment. This energy loss will heat the surroundings, so if this metal was placed around his ankle and he started to shrink it would also shrink with him. Now it should be noted that there is a minimum size to which this metal can shrink , but then again if you arranged it instead in some type of coil rather than just a normal circle , that the coil would pull closer together as it shrunk so it could reach a still smaller size relative to its starting shape.
I think this is the closest one could have with current technology to an ankle bracelet that can still be applied to a shrinking man.
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Look at this https://www.asianscientist.com/2018/05/in-the-lab/shape-memory-porous-material/. It's a metal fibre that changes its shape depending on the prevailing conditions , it gets smaller the hotter it is and larger the cooler it is. If ant man shrinks , then he is reducing his mass , by the famous $E=mc^2$, formula for every bit of mass he loses energy is lost to the environment. This energy loss will heat the surroundings, so if this metal was placed around his ankle and he started to shrink it would also shrink with him. Now it should be noted that there is a minimum size to which this metal can shrink , but then again if you arranged it instead in some type of coil rather than just a normal circle , that the coil would pull closer together as it shrunk so it could reach a still smaller size relative to its starting shape.
I think this is the closest one could have with current technology to an ankle bracelet that can still be applied to a shrinking man.
$endgroup$
Look at this https://www.asianscientist.com/2018/05/in-the-lab/shape-memory-porous-material/. It's a metal fibre that changes its shape depending on the prevailing conditions , it gets smaller the hotter it is and larger the cooler it is. If ant man shrinks , then he is reducing his mass , by the famous $E=mc^2$, formula for every bit of mass he loses energy is lost to the environment. This energy loss will heat the surroundings, so if this metal was placed around his ankle and he started to shrink it would also shrink with him. Now it should be noted that there is a minimum size to which this metal can shrink , but then again if you arranged it instead in some type of coil rather than just a normal circle , that the coil would pull closer together as it shrunk so it could reach a still smaller size relative to its starting shape.
I think this is the closest one could have with current technology to an ankle bracelet that can still be applied to a shrinking man.
answered 3 hours ago
exodiusexodius
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High pressure air curtains on all exterior walls and an electrified net on the roof. Unless he goes microscopic, then all bets are off
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– nzaman
5 hours ago
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Put Ant-Man on house arrest with Happy Hogan in the house to monitor him night and day?
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– kikirex
4 hours ago
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@kikirex: Happy can't even monitor a teenager properly.
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– Ellesedil
4 hours ago
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@Dubukay I'm just worried about the shrinking part for now. It seems that growing would just break an ankle monitor, resulting in the desired effect (from the law-enforcement perspective).
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– conman
3 hours ago
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As a side-note: the shrinking in itself doesn't necessarily appear to be a problem in the first place in-universe. So far the world only knows that he can shrink in his suit, which he doesn't wear when they put the tag on him, so he'd have to get the monitor off to put the suit on or keep it on when shrinking...
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– Frank Hopkins
3 hours ago