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I have a pizza stone and I have a problem with burned dough sticking to it. So I tried to use aluminum foil on the stone for easy cleanup. I wrapped the stone as tightly as I could with the foil and then used it according to the instructions.
The foil ruined the pizzas, instead of getting a burned crispy bottom I got uncooked dough on the bottom with the top cooked. I first thought that this was because the foil wasn't perfectly tight and the air cushion between the stone and foil acted as an insulator. So I removed the wrapped foil, and used instead a loose sheet of foil to allow the air to escape. But this didn't help. When I then removed the foil entirely and used parchment paper instead everything worked fine (a loose sheet of parchment, like the loose sheet of foil from the 2nd attempt).
Why does the foil ruin the effect of the pizza stone, but works excellent in a press toaster?
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I have a pizza stone and I have a problem with burned dough sticking to it. So I tried to use aluminum foil on the stone for easy cleanup. I wrapped the stone as tightly as I could with the foil and then used it according to the instructions.
The foil ruined the pizzas, instead of getting a burned crispy bottom I got uncooked dough on the bottom with the top cooked. I first thought that this was because the foil wasn't perfectly tight and the air cushion between the stone and foil acted as an insulator. So I removed the wrapped foil, and used instead a loose sheet of foil to allow the air to escape. But this didn't help. When I then removed the foil entirely and used parchment paper instead everything worked fine (a loose sheet of parchment, like the loose sheet of foil from the 2nd attempt).
Why does the foil ruin the effect of the pizza stone, but works excellent in a press toaster?
pizza-stone aluminum-foil
For cleaning a stone, I found the easiest thing to be an old or rough knife (blade length at least half the diameter of the stone). A scraper would also work well. The stains remain but they don't affect the next pizza.
– Chris H
Oct 3 '17 at 7:57
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I have a pizza stone and I have a problem with burned dough sticking to it. So I tried to use aluminum foil on the stone for easy cleanup. I wrapped the stone as tightly as I could with the foil and then used it according to the instructions.
The foil ruined the pizzas, instead of getting a burned crispy bottom I got uncooked dough on the bottom with the top cooked. I first thought that this was because the foil wasn't perfectly tight and the air cushion between the stone and foil acted as an insulator. So I removed the wrapped foil, and used instead a loose sheet of foil to allow the air to escape. But this didn't help. When I then removed the foil entirely and used parchment paper instead everything worked fine (a loose sheet of parchment, like the loose sheet of foil from the 2nd attempt).
Why does the foil ruin the effect of the pizza stone, but works excellent in a press toaster?
pizza-stone aluminum-foil
I have a pizza stone and I have a problem with burned dough sticking to it. So I tried to use aluminum foil on the stone for easy cleanup. I wrapped the stone as tightly as I could with the foil and then used it according to the instructions.
The foil ruined the pizzas, instead of getting a burned crispy bottom I got uncooked dough on the bottom with the top cooked. I first thought that this was because the foil wasn't perfectly tight and the air cushion between the stone and foil acted as an insulator. So I removed the wrapped foil, and used instead a loose sheet of foil to allow the air to escape. But this didn't help. When I then removed the foil entirely and used parchment paper instead everything worked fine (a loose sheet of parchment, like the loose sheet of foil from the 2nd attempt).
Why does the foil ruin the effect of the pizza stone, but works excellent in a press toaster?
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For cleaning a stone, I found the easiest thing to be an old or rough knife (blade length at least half the diameter of the stone). A scraper would also work well. The stains remain but they don't affect the next pizza.
– Chris H
Oct 3 '17 at 7:57
add a comment |
For cleaning a stone, I found the easiest thing to be an old or rough knife (blade length at least half the diameter of the stone). A scraper would also work well. The stains remain but they don't affect the next pizza.
– Chris H
Oct 3 '17 at 7:57
For cleaning a stone, I found the easiest thing to be an old or rough knife (blade length at least half the diameter of the stone). A scraper would also work well. The stains remain but they don't affect the next pizza.
– Chris H
Oct 3 '17 at 7:57
For cleaning a stone, I found the easiest thing to be an old or rough knife (blade length at least half the diameter of the stone). A scraper would also work well. The stains remain but they don't affect the next pizza.
– Chris H
Oct 3 '17 at 7:57
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To understand what's happening here, we should first have a look at what a pizza stone does.
A pizza stone is made from a semi- permeable material with a high thermal capacity, or, plainly put, can store heat and soak up humidity. This means it ensures constant heat at the bottom, plus it buffers the wetness of the dough, giving your pizza a crisp, yet fluffy bottom.
This is why your foil causes the problem. Where the stone can absorb water (and steam), the foil is watertight. Which, as you noticed, can mean a soggy bottom - the humidity from the dough and sauce has nowhere to go on the underside.
Unlike the foil, the parchment is not completely watertight (especially not "steam-tight"), so the stone can still do its job.
If you have trouble with sticky pizza and like easier cleanup, parchment is the way to go. Alternatively, a generous dose of (coarse) flour, semolina or corn flour can help a lot. And don't worry if your stone gets a few stains, there is no need to scrub and clean it every time, just give it a quick wipe once it's dry again. From time to time, you can also burn off residue, if it bothers you.
A press toaster has a different working principle: Its plates are smooth and you are roasting your food only for a comparatively short time. And if you looked closely, you might have noticed a lot of steam either during toasting, but especially when opening it. So the foil has roughly the same properties as the toaster plates, hence you'll get the same result with or without it.
Is parchment paper as porous as the stone, or will going commando on the stone give better results than the parchment paper?
– SIMEL
Oct 1 '17 at 10:16
Depends. It's always the fine line between optimal results (bare) and ease of use / maneuvering / catching spills (parchment). For me, parchment is usually "good enough".
– Stephie♦
Oct 1 '17 at 10:18
5
This is a very good, comprehensive answer. Coarse corn meal or even better, Semolina is your best bet as it acts like little ball bearings, letting your pizza roll and off the stone. Also worth mentioning it to make sure the stone is up to temperature before you start, I preheat mine for an hour.
– GdD
Oct 1 '17 at 12:20
3
Straight-up stone with cornmeal is always the best way to go for underside blistering/browning. However, parchment works pretty well, especially if you make sure to remove the parchment as soon as you take the pizza out of the oven, and cool it on a rack without the parchment.
– FuzzyChef
Oct 1 '17 at 22:43
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Stephie's point about the stone's capability to disperse humidity from the dough is probably the most important. Additionally, I'd suspect that the foil prevents the stone from getting up to sufficient temperature during pre-heating: aluminium is a good reflector, not only of visible light but also of thermal radiation. So by wrapping the stone in foil, you lose much of the heat transfer from the top of the oven to the stone. The stone has a considerable heat capacity. It will still reach the temperature of the rest of the oven eventually, but only after you've left in in for a long time.
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If it's permeability then baking steel will never work. I tried steel plates and they are awesome, with or without foil.
There are three types of heat transfer: conduction, convection and radiation. Between stone and dough there isn't enough air so the focus here should be conduction and radiation. The stone itself is not a good heat conductor so it cannot transfer the heat to the dough by conduction very well. With foil between dough and stone, radiation is almost gone. That's why the underside isn't cooked. There is no good heat transfer between stone and the bottom side of dough.
Parchment paper doesn't block radiation as much as foil, therefore the dough can be cooked by radiation heat from the stone.
Steel is excellent heat conductor compared to stone. Even with foils that block radiation it can still cook the dough by conduction.
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To understand what's happening here, we should first have a look at what a pizza stone does.
A pizza stone is made from a semi- permeable material with a high thermal capacity, or, plainly put, can store heat and soak up humidity. This means it ensures constant heat at the bottom, plus it buffers the wetness of the dough, giving your pizza a crisp, yet fluffy bottom.
This is why your foil causes the problem. Where the stone can absorb water (and steam), the foil is watertight. Which, as you noticed, can mean a soggy bottom - the humidity from the dough and sauce has nowhere to go on the underside.
Unlike the foil, the parchment is not completely watertight (especially not "steam-tight"), so the stone can still do its job.
If you have trouble with sticky pizza and like easier cleanup, parchment is the way to go. Alternatively, a generous dose of (coarse) flour, semolina or corn flour can help a lot. And don't worry if your stone gets a few stains, there is no need to scrub and clean it every time, just give it a quick wipe once it's dry again. From time to time, you can also burn off residue, if it bothers you.
A press toaster has a different working principle: Its plates are smooth and you are roasting your food only for a comparatively short time. And if you looked closely, you might have noticed a lot of steam either during toasting, but especially when opening it. So the foil has roughly the same properties as the toaster plates, hence you'll get the same result with or without it.
Is parchment paper as porous as the stone, or will going commando on the stone give better results than the parchment paper?
– SIMEL
Oct 1 '17 at 10:16
Depends. It's always the fine line between optimal results (bare) and ease of use / maneuvering / catching spills (parchment). For me, parchment is usually "good enough".
– Stephie♦
Oct 1 '17 at 10:18
5
This is a very good, comprehensive answer. Coarse corn meal or even better, Semolina is your best bet as it acts like little ball bearings, letting your pizza roll and off the stone. Also worth mentioning it to make sure the stone is up to temperature before you start, I preheat mine for an hour.
– GdD
Oct 1 '17 at 12:20
3
Straight-up stone with cornmeal is always the best way to go for underside blistering/browning. However, parchment works pretty well, especially if you make sure to remove the parchment as soon as you take the pizza out of the oven, and cool it on a rack without the parchment.
– FuzzyChef
Oct 1 '17 at 22:43
add a comment |
To understand what's happening here, we should first have a look at what a pizza stone does.
A pizza stone is made from a semi- permeable material with a high thermal capacity, or, plainly put, can store heat and soak up humidity. This means it ensures constant heat at the bottom, plus it buffers the wetness of the dough, giving your pizza a crisp, yet fluffy bottom.
This is why your foil causes the problem. Where the stone can absorb water (and steam), the foil is watertight. Which, as you noticed, can mean a soggy bottom - the humidity from the dough and sauce has nowhere to go on the underside.
Unlike the foil, the parchment is not completely watertight (especially not "steam-tight"), so the stone can still do its job.
If you have trouble with sticky pizza and like easier cleanup, parchment is the way to go. Alternatively, a generous dose of (coarse) flour, semolina or corn flour can help a lot. And don't worry if your stone gets a few stains, there is no need to scrub and clean it every time, just give it a quick wipe once it's dry again. From time to time, you can also burn off residue, if it bothers you.
A press toaster has a different working principle: Its plates are smooth and you are roasting your food only for a comparatively short time. And if you looked closely, you might have noticed a lot of steam either during toasting, but especially when opening it. So the foil has roughly the same properties as the toaster plates, hence you'll get the same result with or without it.
Is parchment paper as porous as the stone, or will going commando on the stone give better results than the parchment paper?
– SIMEL
Oct 1 '17 at 10:16
Depends. It's always the fine line between optimal results (bare) and ease of use / maneuvering / catching spills (parchment). For me, parchment is usually "good enough".
– Stephie♦
Oct 1 '17 at 10:18
5
This is a very good, comprehensive answer. Coarse corn meal or even better, Semolina is your best bet as it acts like little ball bearings, letting your pizza roll and off the stone. Also worth mentioning it to make sure the stone is up to temperature before you start, I preheat mine for an hour.
– GdD
Oct 1 '17 at 12:20
3
Straight-up stone with cornmeal is always the best way to go for underside blistering/browning. However, parchment works pretty well, especially if you make sure to remove the parchment as soon as you take the pizza out of the oven, and cool it on a rack without the parchment.
– FuzzyChef
Oct 1 '17 at 22:43
add a comment |
To understand what's happening here, we should first have a look at what a pizza stone does.
A pizza stone is made from a semi- permeable material with a high thermal capacity, or, plainly put, can store heat and soak up humidity. This means it ensures constant heat at the bottom, plus it buffers the wetness of the dough, giving your pizza a crisp, yet fluffy bottom.
This is why your foil causes the problem. Where the stone can absorb water (and steam), the foil is watertight. Which, as you noticed, can mean a soggy bottom - the humidity from the dough and sauce has nowhere to go on the underside.
Unlike the foil, the parchment is not completely watertight (especially not "steam-tight"), so the stone can still do its job.
If you have trouble with sticky pizza and like easier cleanup, parchment is the way to go. Alternatively, a generous dose of (coarse) flour, semolina or corn flour can help a lot. And don't worry if your stone gets a few stains, there is no need to scrub and clean it every time, just give it a quick wipe once it's dry again. From time to time, you can also burn off residue, if it bothers you.
A press toaster has a different working principle: Its plates are smooth and you are roasting your food only for a comparatively short time. And if you looked closely, you might have noticed a lot of steam either during toasting, but especially when opening it. So the foil has roughly the same properties as the toaster plates, hence you'll get the same result with or without it.
To understand what's happening here, we should first have a look at what a pizza stone does.
A pizza stone is made from a semi- permeable material with a high thermal capacity, or, plainly put, can store heat and soak up humidity. This means it ensures constant heat at the bottom, plus it buffers the wetness of the dough, giving your pizza a crisp, yet fluffy bottom.
This is why your foil causes the problem. Where the stone can absorb water (and steam), the foil is watertight. Which, as you noticed, can mean a soggy bottom - the humidity from the dough and sauce has nowhere to go on the underside.
Unlike the foil, the parchment is not completely watertight (especially not "steam-tight"), so the stone can still do its job.
If you have trouble with sticky pizza and like easier cleanup, parchment is the way to go. Alternatively, a generous dose of (coarse) flour, semolina or corn flour can help a lot. And don't worry if your stone gets a few stains, there is no need to scrub and clean it every time, just give it a quick wipe once it's dry again. From time to time, you can also burn off residue, if it bothers you.
A press toaster has a different working principle: Its plates are smooth and you are roasting your food only for a comparatively short time. And if you looked closely, you might have noticed a lot of steam either during toasting, but especially when opening it. So the foil has roughly the same properties as the toaster plates, hence you'll get the same result with or without it.
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Is parchment paper as porous as the stone, or will going commando on the stone give better results than the parchment paper?
– SIMEL
Oct 1 '17 at 10:16
Depends. It's always the fine line between optimal results (bare) and ease of use / maneuvering / catching spills (parchment). For me, parchment is usually "good enough".
– Stephie♦
Oct 1 '17 at 10:18
5
This is a very good, comprehensive answer. Coarse corn meal or even better, Semolina is your best bet as it acts like little ball bearings, letting your pizza roll and off the stone. Also worth mentioning it to make sure the stone is up to temperature before you start, I preheat mine for an hour.
– GdD
Oct 1 '17 at 12:20
3
Straight-up stone with cornmeal is always the best way to go for underside blistering/browning. However, parchment works pretty well, especially if you make sure to remove the parchment as soon as you take the pizza out of the oven, and cool it on a rack without the parchment.
– FuzzyChef
Oct 1 '17 at 22:43
add a comment |
Is parchment paper as porous as the stone, or will going commando on the stone give better results than the parchment paper?
– SIMEL
Oct 1 '17 at 10:16
Depends. It's always the fine line between optimal results (bare) and ease of use / maneuvering / catching spills (parchment). For me, parchment is usually "good enough".
– Stephie♦
Oct 1 '17 at 10:18
5
This is a very good, comprehensive answer. Coarse corn meal or even better, Semolina is your best bet as it acts like little ball bearings, letting your pizza roll and off the stone. Also worth mentioning it to make sure the stone is up to temperature before you start, I preheat mine for an hour.
– GdD
Oct 1 '17 at 12:20
3
Straight-up stone with cornmeal is always the best way to go for underside blistering/browning. However, parchment works pretty well, especially if you make sure to remove the parchment as soon as you take the pizza out of the oven, and cool it on a rack without the parchment.
– FuzzyChef
Oct 1 '17 at 22:43
Is parchment paper as porous as the stone, or will going commando on the stone give better results than the parchment paper?
– SIMEL
Oct 1 '17 at 10:16
Is parchment paper as porous as the stone, or will going commando on the stone give better results than the parchment paper?
– SIMEL
Oct 1 '17 at 10:16
Depends. It's always the fine line between optimal results (bare) and ease of use / maneuvering / catching spills (parchment). For me, parchment is usually "good enough".
– Stephie♦
Oct 1 '17 at 10:18
Depends. It's always the fine line between optimal results (bare) and ease of use / maneuvering / catching spills (parchment). For me, parchment is usually "good enough".
– Stephie♦
Oct 1 '17 at 10:18
5
5
This is a very good, comprehensive answer. Coarse corn meal or even better, Semolina is your best bet as it acts like little ball bearings, letting your pizza roll and off the stone. Also worth mentioning it to make sure the stone is up to temperature before you start, I preheat mine for an hour.
– GdD
Oct 1 '17 at 12:20
This is a very good, comprehensive answer. Coarse corn meal or even better, Semolina is your best bet as it acts like little ball bearings, letting your pizza roll and off the stone. Also worth mentioning it to make sure the stone is up to temperature before you start, I preheat mine for an hour.
– GdD
Oct 1 '17 at 12:20
3
3
Straight-up stone with cornmeal is always the best way to go for underside blistering/browning. However, parchment works pretty well, especially if you make sure to remove the parchment as soon as you take the pizza out of the oven, and cool it on a rack without the parchment.
– FuzzyChef
Oct 1 '17 at 22:43
Straight-up stone with cornmeal is always the best way to go for underside blistering/browning. However, parchment works pretty well, especially if you make sure to remove the parchment as soon as you take the pizza out of the oven, and cool it on a rack without the parchment.
– FuzzyChef
Oct 1 '17 at 22:43
add a comment |
Stephie's point about the stone's capability to disperse humidity from the dough is probably the most important. Additionally, I'd suspect that the foil prevents the stone from getting up to sufficient temperature during pre-heating: aluminium is a good reflector, not only of visible light but also of thermal radiation. So by wrapping the stone in foil, you lose much of the heat transfer from the top of the oven to the stone. The stone has a considerable heat capacity. It will still reach the temperature of the rest of the oven eventually, but only after you've left in in for a long time.
add a comment |
Stephie's point about the stone's capability to disperse humidity from the dough is probably the most important. Additionally, I'd suspect that the foil prevents the stone from getting up to sufficient temperature during pre-heating: aluminium is a good reflector, not only of visible light but also of thermal radiation. So by wrapping the stone in foil, you lose much of the heat transfer from the top of the oven to the stone. The stone has a considerable heat capacity. It will still reach the temperature of the rest of the oven eventually, but only after you've left in in for a long time.
add a comment |
Stephie's point about the stone's capability to disperse humidity from the dough is probably the most important. Additionally, I'd suspect that the foil prevents the stone from getting up to sufficient temperature during pre-heating: aluminium is a good reflector, not only of visible light but also of thermal radiation. So by wrapping the stone in foil, you lose much of the heat transfer from the top of the oven to the stone. The stone has a considerable heat capacity. It will still reach the temperature of the rest of the oven eventually, but only after you've left in in for a long time.
Stephie's point about the stone's capability to disperse humidity from the dough is probably the most important. Additionally, I'd suspect that the foil prevents the stone from getting up to sufficient temperature during pre-heating: aluminium is a good reflector, not only of visible light but also of thermal radiation. So by wrapping the stone in foil, you lose much of the heat transfer from the top of the oven to the stone. The stone has a considerable heat capacity. It will still reach the temperature of the rest of the oven eventually, but only after you've left in in for a long time.
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If it's permeability then baking steel will never work. I tried steel plates and they are awesome, with or without foil.
There are three types of heat transfer: conduction, convection and radiation. Between stone and dough there isn't enough air so the focus here should be conduction and radiation. The stone itself is not a good heat conductor so it cannot transfer the heat to the dough by conduction very well. With foil between dough and stone, radiation is almost gone. That's why the underside isn't cooked. There is no good heat transfer between stone and the bottom side of dough.
Parchment paper doesn't block radiation as much as foil, therefore the dough can be cooked by radiation heat from the stone.
Steel is excellent heat conductor compared to stone. Even with foils that block radiation it can still cook the dough by conduction.
New contributor
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If it's permeability then baking steel will never work. I tried steel plates and they are awesome, with or without foil.
There are three types of heat transfer: conduction, convection and radiation. Between stone and dough there isn't enough air so the focus here should be conduction and radiation. The stone itself is not a good heat conductor so it cannot transfer the heat to the dough by conduction very well. With foil between dough and stone, radiation is almost gone. That's why the underside isn't cooked. There is no good heat transfer between stone and the bottom side of dough.
Parchment paper doesn't block radiation as much as foil, therefore the dough can be cooked by radiation heat from the stone.
Steel is excellent heat conductor compared to stone. Even with foils that block radiation it can still cook the dough by conduction.
New contributor
add a comment |
If it's permeability then baking steel will never work. I tried steel plates and they are awesome, with or without foil.
There are three types of heat transfer: conduction, convection and radiation. Between stone and dough there isn't enough air so the focus here should be conduction and radiation. The stone itself is not a good heat conductor so it cannot transfer the heat to the dough by conduction very well. With foil between dough and stone, radiation is almost gone. That's why the underside isn't cooked. There is no good heat transfer between stone and the bottom side of dough.
Parchment paper doesn't block radiation as much as foil, therefore the dough can be cooked by radiation heat from the stone.
Steel is excellent heat conductor compared to stone. Even with foils that block radiation it can still cook the dough by conduction.
New contributor
If it's permeability then baking steel will never work. I tried steel plates and they are awesome, with or without foil.
There are three types of heat transfer: conduction, convection and radiation. Between stone and dough there isn't enough air so the focus here should be conduction and radiation. The stone itself is not a good heat conductor so it cannot transfer the heat to the dough by conduction very well. With foil between dough and stone, radiation is almost gone. That's why the underside isn't cooked. There is no good heat transfer between stone and the bottom side of dough.
Parchment paper doesn't block radiation as much as foil, therefore the dough can be cooked by radiation heat from the stone.
Steel is excellent heat conductor compared to stone. Even with foils that block radiation it can still cook the dough by conduction.
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For cleaning a stone, I found the easiest thing to be an old or rough knife (blade length at least half the diameter of the stone). A scraper would also work well. The stains remain but they don't affect the next pizza.
– Chris H
Oct 3 '17 at 7:57