When did antialiasing start being available?What did the Super FX co-processor do?When did the tower form factor appear and when did it become popular?When did Great Valley Products, stop producing hardware?If the Sega Genesis/MegaDrive could be overclocked so easily, why couldn't the SNES?When did the Macintosh start using four (or more) layer PCB's?When did green LEDs become as cheap as red LEDs?How did Konami games recognize the famous cheat code?Simplest system to create an emulator forWhen were other inexpensive computers able to recreate “The Amiga Juggler”?When did game consoles acquire battery-backed clocks?

Have the tides ever turned twice on any open problem?

Do native speakers use "ultima" and "proxima" frequently in spoken English?

Is it true that good novels will automatically sell themselves on Amazon (and so on) and there is no need for one to waste time promoting?

Generic TVP tradeoffs?

If "dar" means "to give", what does "daros" mean?

What exactly term 'companion plants' means?

Relation between independence and correlation of uniform random variables

Unfrosted light bulb

Is there a hypothetical scenario that would make Earth uninhabitable for humans, but not for (the majority of) other animals?

How can an organ that provides biological immortality be unable to regenerate?

Hausdorff dimension of the boundary of fibres of Lipschitz maps

Suggestions on how to spend Shaabath (constructively) alone

Practical application of matrices and determinants

Should I use acronyms in dialogues before telling the readers what it stands for in fiction?

Is it possible to stack the damage done by the Absorb Elements spell?

Synchronized implementation of a bank account in Java

Describing a chess game in a novel

Writing in a Christian voice

Using Past-Perfect interchangeably with the Past Continuous

In Aliens, how many people were on LV-426 before the Marines arrived​?

Wrapping homogeneous Python objects

Can you move over difficult terrain with only 5 feet of movement?

What does "Four-F." mean?

Fewest number of steps to reach 200 using special calculator



When did antialiasing start being available?


What did the Super FX co-processor do?When did the tower form factor appear and when did it become popular?When did Great Valley Products, stop producing hardware?If the Sega Genesis/MegaDrive could be overclocked so easily, why couldn't the SNES?When did the Macintosh start using four (or more) layer PCB's?When did green LEDs become as cheap as red LEDs?How did Konami games recognize the famous cheat code?Simplest system to create an emulator forWhen were other inexpensive computers able to recreate “The Amiga Juggler”?When did game consoles acquire battery-backed clocks?













2















An important step towards 3D gaming was the ability to scale sprites or tiles by nonintegral factors. Examples of the former from the eighties were the arcade games Pole Position, Outrun, Space Harrier and Afterburner; a subsequent example of the latter was the SNES Mode 7, used in many games for that machine.



Accustomed to modern hardware, one tends to expect antialiasing; that is, for each screen pixel, the system locates the corresponding data pixel, and if the answer lands between two data pixels, instead of just picking one or the other, it calculates a weighted average of the two.



But https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/ says




I don't deny the advantages of treating classic games as something that can be improved upon: N64 emulators employ stunning high-resolution texture packs and 1080p upscaling, while SNES emulators often provide 2x anti-aliasing for Mode7 graphics and cubic-spline interpolation for audio samples. Such emulated games look and sound better. While there is nothing wrong with this, it is contrary to the goal of writing a hardware-accurate emulator.




This suggests the SNES did not actually have antialiasing.



According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_arcade_system_boards




The Sega Model 2 is an arcade system board released by Sega in 1993. Like the Model 1, it was developed in cooperation with Martin Marietta, and is a further advancement of the earlier Model 1 system. The most noticeable improvement was texture mapping, which enabled polygons to be painted with bitmap images, as opposed to the limited monotone flat shading that Model 1 supported. The Model 2 also introduced the use of texture filtering and texture anti-aliasing.




This suggests Sega arcade machines likewise did not have antialiasing before 1993. A surprising conclusion from today's perspective, but then, the transistors required for the extra calculations might've been a significant cost in those days, and arcade games were fast-moving and CRT TV displays were somewhat blurry anyway. And certainly it would not have been affordable in software on eighties-vintage CPUs.



Are the above inferences correct? Did antialiasing hardware only start being available in arcade and home games machines in the early to mid nineties?










share|improve this question


























    2















    An important step towards 3D gaming was the ability to scale sprites or tiles by nonintegral factors. Examples of the former from the eighties were the arcade games Pole Position, Outrun, Space Harrier and Afterburner; a subsequent example of the latter was the SNES Mode 7, used in many games for that machine.



    Accustomed to modern hardware, one tends to expect antialiasing; that is, for each screen pixel, the system locates the corresponding data pixel, and if the answer lands between two data pixels, instead of just picking one or the other, it calculates a weighted average of the two.



    But https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/ says




    I don't deny the advantages of treating classic games as something that can be improved upon: N64 emulators employ stunning high-resolution texture packs and 1080p upscaling, while SNES emulators often provide 2x anti-aliasing for Mode7 graphics and cubic-spline interpolation for audio samples. Such emulated games look and sound better. While there is nothing wrong with this, it is contrary to the goal of writing a hardware-accurate emulator.




    This suggests the SNES did not actually have antialiasing.



    According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_arcade_system_boards




    The Sega Model 2 is an arcade system board released by Sega in 1993. Like the Model 1, it was developed in cooperation with Martin Marietta, and is a further advancement of the earlier Model 1 system. The most noticeable improvement was texture mapping, which enabled polygons to be painted with bitmap images, as opposed to the limited monotone flat shading that Model 1 supported. The Model 2 also introduced the use of texture filtering and texture anti-aliasing.




    This suggests Sega arcade machines likewise did not have antialiasing before 1993. A surprising conclusion from today's perspective, but then, the transistors required for the extra calculations might've been a significant cost in those days, and arcade games were fast-moving and CRT TV displays were somewhat blurry anyway. And certainly it would not have been affordable in software on eighties-vintage CPUs.



    Are the above inferences correct? Did antialiasing hardware only start being available in arcade and home games machines in the early to mid nineties?










    share|improve this question
























      2












      2








      2








      An important step towards 3D gaming was the ability to scale sprites or tiles by nonintegral factors. Examples of the former from the eighties were the arcade games Pole Position, Outrun, Space Harrier and Afterburner; a subsequent example of the latter was the SNES Mode 7, used in many games for that machine.



      Accustomed to modern hardware, one tends to expect antialiasing; that is, for each screen pixel, the system locates the corresponding data pixel, and if the answer lands between two data pixels, instead of just picking one or the other, it calculates a weighted average of the two.



      But https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/ says




      I don't deny the advantages of treating classic games as something that can be improved upon: N64 emulators employ stunning high-resolution texture packs and 1080p upscaling, while SNES emulators often provide 2x anti-aliasing for Mode7 graphics and cubic-spline interpolation for audio samples. Such emulated games look and sound better. While there is nothing wrong with this, it is contrary to the goal of writing a hardware-accurate emulator.




      This suggests the SNES did not actually have antialiasing.



      According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_arcade_system_boards




      The Sega Model 2 is an arcade system board released by Sega in 1993. Like the Model 1, it was developed in cooperation with Martin Marietta, and is a further advancement of the earlier Model 1 system. The most noticeable improvement was texture mapping, which enabled polygons to be painted with bitmap images, as opposed to the limited monotone flat shading that Model 1 supported. The Model 2 also introduced the use of texture filtering and texture anti-aliasing.




      This suggests Sega arcade machines likewise did not have antialiasing before 1993. A surprising conclusion from today's perspective, but then, the transistors required for the extra calculations might've been a significant cost in those days, and arcade games were fast-moving and CRT TV displays were somewhat blurry anyway. And certainly it would not have been affordable in software on eighties-vintage CPUs.



      Are the above inferences correct? Did antialiasing hardware only start being available in arcade and home games machines in the early to mid nineties?










      share|improve this question














      An important step towards 3D gaming was the ability to scale sprites or tiles by nonintegral factors. Examples of the former from the eighties were the arcade games Pole Position, Outrun, Space Harrier and Afterburner; a subsequent example of the latter was the SNES Mode 7, used in many games for that machine.



      Accustomed to modern hardware, one tends to expect antialiasing; that is, for each screen pixel, the system locates the corresponding data pixel, and if the answer lands between two data pixels, instead of just picking one or the other, it calculates a weighted average of the two.



      But https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/ says




      I don't deny the advantages of treating classic games as something that can be improved upon: N64 emulators employ stunning high-resolution texture packs and 1080p upscaling, while SNES emulators often provide 2x anti-aliasing for Mode7 graphics and cubic-spline interpolation for audio samples. Such emulated games look and sound better. While there is nothing wrong with this, it is contrary to the goal of writing a hardware-accurate emulator.




      This suggests the SNES did not actually have antialiasing.



      According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_arcade_system_boards




      The Sega Model 2 is an arcade system board released by Sega in 1993. Like the Model 1, it was developed in cooperation with Martin Marietta, and is a further advancement of the earlier Model 1 system. The most noticeable improvement was texture mapping, which enabled polygons to be painted with bitmap images, as opposed to the limited monotone flat shading that Model 1 supported. The Model 2 also introduced the use of texture filtering and texture anti-aliasing.




      This suggests Sega arcade machines likewise did not have antialiasing before 1993. A surprising conclusion from today's perspective, but then, the transistors required for the extra calculations might've been a significant cost in those days, and arcade games were fast-moving and CRT TV displays were somewhat blurry anyway. And certainly it would not have been affordable in software on eighties-vintage CPUs.



      Are the above inferences correct? Did antialiasing hardware only start being available in arcade and home games machines in the early to mid nineties?







      hardware graphics snes sega






      share|improve this question













      share|improve this question











      share|improve this question




      share|improve this question










      asked 1 hour ago









      rwallacerwallace

      9,584448141




      9,584448141




















          1 Answer
          1






          active

          oldest

          votes


















          3














          There's something of a conflation here of antialiasing and filtering, I think. Antialiasing is literally preventing things from adopting aliases — e.g. if a diagonal line looks like a staircase rather than a diagonal line, it has adopted an alias. So you can imagine the same thing happening to textures as they rotate or take awkward angles. But it's always about accurately portraying the information you have.



          Conversely, bilinear filtering is just a different way of guessing at what is between the information you have. It's about generating extra information — specifically positing that there's a linear gradient between every source pixel and the next, rather than a hard edge.



          That being said: no, the SNES does neither. It's a simple nearest-neighbour colour grab only. Ditto for the scaling systems that precede it — including the Lynx in the home (and anywhere else you want to take it; I suggest the battery shop) and arcade machines like Sega's.



          This is true up to the Saturn and Playstation. The Nintendo 64 has bilinear filtering, and everything after that unambiguously has both*.



          So I believe the sources are correct.



          *) you can technically fake antialiasing on anything with subpixel precision and alpha transparency by drawing multiple passes with slightly adjusted coordinates. So an N64 could do that, it'd just be expensive.






          share|improve this answer























          • Yah, in common use anti-aliasing refers to edge anti-aliasing done to remove aliasing artifacts (jaggies) that appear at edges of rasterized triangles, but simple bilinear filtering removes aliasing artifacts that can appear over the entirety of texture-mapped triangles. The shimmering textures in old games that don't use filtering is probably the most obvious example of this.

            – Ross Ridge
            3 mins ago










          Your Answer








          StackExchange.ready(function()
          var channelOptions =
          tags: "".split(" "),
          id: "648"
          ;
          initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

          StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
          // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
          if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
          StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
          createEditor();
          );

          else
          createEditor();

          );

          function createEditor()
          StackExchange.prepareEditor(
          heartbeatType: 'answer',
          autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
          convertImagesToLinks: false,
          noModals: true,
          showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
          reputationToPostImages: null,
          bindNavPrevention: true,
          postfix: "",
          imageUploader:
          brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
          contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
          allowUrls: true
          ,
          noCode: true, onDemand: true,
          discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
          ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
          );



          );













          draft saved

          draft discarded


















          StackExchange.ready(
          function ()
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fretrocomputing.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f9368%2fwhen-did-antialiasing-start-being-available%23new-answer', 'question_page');

          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown

























          1 Answer
          1






          active

          oldest

          votes








          1 Answer
          1






          active

          oldest

          votes









          active

          oldest

          votes






          active

          oldest

          votes









          3














          There's something of a conflation here of antialiasing and filtering, I think. Antialiasing is literally preventing things from adopting aliases — e.g. if a diagonal line looks like a staircase rather than a diagonal line, it has adopted an alias. So you can imagine the same thing happening to textures as they rotate or take awkward angles. But it's always about accurately portraying the information you have.



          Conversely, bilinear filtering is just a different way of guessing at what is between the information you have. It's about generating extra information — specifically positing that there's a linear gradient between every source pixel and the next, rather than a hard edge.



          That being said: no, the SNES does neither. It's a simple nearest-neighbour colour grab only. Ditto for the scaling systems that precede it — including the Lynx in the home (and anywhere else you want to take it; I suggest the battery shop) and arcade machines like Sega's.



          This is true up to the Saturn and Playstation. The Nintendo 64 has bilinear filtering, and everything after that unambiguously has both*.



          So I believe the sources are correct.



          *) you can technically fake antialiasing on anything with subpixel precision and alpha transparency by drawing multiple passes with slightly adjusted coordinates. So an N64 could do that, it'd just be expensive.






          share|improve this answer























          • Yah, in common use anti-aliasing refers to edge anti-aliasing done to remove aliasing artifacts (jaggies) that appear at edges of rasterized triangles, but simple bilinear filtering removes aliasing artifacts that can appear over the entirety of texture-mapped triangles. The shimmering textures in old games that don't use filtering is probably the most obvious example of this.

            – Ross Ridge
            3 mins ago















          3














          There's something of a conflation here of antialiasing and filtering, I think. Antialiasing is literally preventing things from adopting aliases — e.g. if a diagonal line looks like a staircase rather than a diagonal line, it has adopted an alias. So you can imagine the same thing happening to textures as they rotate or take awkward angles. But it's always about accurately portraying the information you have.



          Conversely, bilinear filtering is just a different way of guessing at what is between the information you have. It's about generating extra information — specifically positing that there's a linear gradient between every source pixel and the next, rather than a hard edge.



          That being said: no, the SNES does neither. It's a simple nearest-neighbour colour grab only. Ditto for the scaling systems that precede it — including the Lynx in the home (and anywhere else you want to take it; I suggest the battery shop) and arcade machines like Sega's.



          This is true up to the Saturn and Playstation. The Nintendo 64 has bilinear filtering, and everything after that unambiguously has both*.



          So I believe the sources are correct.



          *) you can technically fake antialiasing on anything with subpixel precision and alpha transparency by drawing multiple passes with slightly adjusted coordinates. So an N64 could do that, it'd just be expensive.






          share|improve this answer























          • Yah, in common use anti-aliasing refers to edge anti-aliasing done to remove aliasing artifacts (jaggies) that appear at edges of rasterized triangles, but simple bilinear filtering removes aliasing artifacts that can appear over the entirety of texture-mapped triangles. The shimmering textures in old games that don't use filtering is probably the most obvious example of this.

            – Ross Ridge
            3 mins ago













          3












          3








          3







          There's something of a conflation here of antialiasing and filtering, I think. Antialiasing is literally preventing things from adopting aliases — e.g. if a diagonal line looks like a staircase rather than a diagonal line, it has adopted an alias. So you can imagine the same thing happening to textures as they rotate or take awkward angles. But it's always about accurately portraying the information you have.



          Conversely, bilinear filtering is just a different way of guessing at what is between the information you have. It's about generating extra information — specifically positing that there's a linear gradient between every source pixel and the next, rather than a hard edge.



          That being said: no, the SNES does neither. It's a simple nearest-neighbour colour grab only. Ditto for the scaling systems that precede it — including the Lynx in the home (and anywhere else you want to take it; I suggest the battery shop) and arcade machines like Sega's.



          This is true up to the Saturn and Playstation. The Nintendo 64 has bilinear filtering, and everything after that unambiguously has both*.



          So I believe the sources are correct.



          *) you can technically fake antialiasing on anything with subpixel precision and alpha transparency by drawing multiple passes with slightly adjusted coordinates. So an N64 could do that, it'd just be expensive.






          share|improve this answer













          There's something of a conflation here of antialiasing and filtering, I think. Antialiasing is literally preventing things from adopting aliases — e.g. if a diagonal line looks like a staircase rather than a diagonal line, it has adopted an alias. So you can imagine the same thing happening to textures as they rotate or take awkward angles. But it's always about accurately portraying the information you have.



          Conversely, bilinear filtering is just a different way of guessing at what is between the information you have. It's about generating extra information — specifically positing that there's a linear gradient between every source pixel and the next, rather than a hard edge.



          That being said: no, the SNES does neither. It's a simple nearest-neighbour colour grab only. Ditto for the scaling systems that precede it — including the Lynx in the home (and anywhere else you want to take it; I suggest the battery shop) and arcade machines like Sega's.



          This is true up to the Saturn and Playstation. The Nintendo 64 has bilinear filtering, and everything after that unambiguously has both*.



          So I believe the sources are correct.



          *) you can technically fake antialiasing on anything with subpixel precision and alpha transparency by drawing multiple passes with slightly adjusted coordinates. So an N64 could do that, it'd just be expensive.







          share|improve this answer












          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer










          answered 52 mins ago









          TommyTommy

          15.2k14174




          15.2k14174












          • Yah, in common use anti-aliasing refers to edge anti-aliasing done to remove aliasing artifacts (jaggies) that appear at edges of rasterized triangles, but simple bilinear filtering removes aliasing artifacts that can appear over the entirety of texture-mapped triangles. The shimmering textures in old games that don't use filtering is probably the most obvious example of this.

            – Ross Ridge
            3 mins ago

















          • Yah, in common use anti-aliasing refers to edge anti-aliasing done to remove aliasing artifacts (jaggies) that appear at edges of rasterized triangles, but simple bilinear filtering removes aliasing artifacts that can appear over the entirety of texture-mapped triangles. The shimmering textures in old games that don't use filtering is probably the most obvious example of this.

            – Ross Ridge
            3 mins ago
















          Yah, in common use anti-aliasing refers to edge anti-aliasing done to remove aliasing artifacts (jaggies) that appear at edges of rasterized triangles, but simple bilinear filtering removes aliasing artifacts that can appear over the entirety of texture-mapped triangles. The shimmering textures in old games that don't use filtering is probably the most obvious example of this.

          – Ross Ridge
          3 mins ago





          Yah, in common use anti-aliasing refers to edge anti-aliasing done to remove aliasing artifacts (jaggies) that appear at edges of rasterized triangles, but simple bilinear filtering removes aliasing artifacts that can appear over the entirety of texture-mapped triangles. The shimmering textures in old games that don't use filtering is probably the most obvious example of this.

          – Ross Ridge
          3 mins ago

















          draft saved

          draft discarded
















































          Thanks for contributing an answer to Retrocomputing Stack Exchange!


          • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

          But avoid


          • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

          • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

          To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




          draft saved


          draft discarded














          StackExchange.ready(
          function ()
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fretrocomputing.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f9368%2fwhen-did-antialiasing-start-being-available%23new-answer', 'question_page');

          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown





















































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown

































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown







          Popular posts from this blog

          Oświęcim Innehåll Historia | Källor | Externa länkar | Navigeringsmeny50°2′18″N 19°13′17″Ö / 50.03833°N 19.22139°Ö / 50.03833; 19.2213950°2′18″N 19°13′17″Ö / 50.03833°N 19.22139°Ö / 50.03833; 19.221393089658Nordisk familjebok, AuschwitzInsidan tro och existensJewish Community i OświęcimAuschwitz Jewish Center: MuseumAuschwitz Jewish Center

          Valle di Casies Indice Geografia fisica | Origini del nome | Storia | Società | Amministrazione | Sport | Note | Bibliografia | Voci correlate | Altri progetti | Collegamenti esterni | Menu di navigazione46°46′N 12°11′E / 46.766667°N 12.183333°E46.766667; 12.183333 (Valle di Casies)46°46′N 12°11′E / 46.766667°N 12.183333°E46.766667; 12.183333 (Valle di Casies)Sito istituzionaleAstat Censimento della popolazione 2011 - Determinazione della consistenza dei tre gruppi linguistici della Provincia Autonoma di Bolzano-Alto Adige - giugno 2012Numeri e fattiValle di CasiesDato IstatTabella dei gradi/giorno dei Comuni italiani raggruppati per Regione e Provincia26 agosto 1993, n. 412Heraldry of the World: GsiesStatistiche I.StatValCasies.comWikimedia CommonsWikimedia CommonsValle di CasiesSito ufficialeValle di CasiesMM14870458910042978-6

          Typsetting diagram chases (with TikZ?) Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)How to define the default vertical distance between nodes?Draw edge on arcNumerical conditional within tikz keys?TikZ: Drawing an arc from an intersection to an intersectionDrawing rectilinear curves in Tikz, aka an Etch-a-Sketch drawingLine up nested tikz enviroments or how to get rid of themHow to place nodes in an absolute coordinate system in tikzCommutative diagram with curve connecting between nodesTikz with standalone: pinning tikz coordinates to page cmDrawing a Decision Diagram with Tikz and layout manager