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Anime, Disney, and many, many other works feature human characters with ridiculously oversized eyes. This is usually just a stylistic choice, and had little to no effect on anything in-story or in-universe. What if it did have an effect?
Say that a real-world human was given eyes of the same proportion as the stylized ones you see in anime, Disney, etc: What would the physiological effects be? What would be gained, and what would be lost?
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Anime, Disney, and many, many other works feature human characters with ridiculously oversized eyes. This is usually just a stylistic choice, and had little to no effect on anything in-story or in-universe. What if it did have an effect?
Say that a real-world human was given eyes of the same proportion as the stylized ones you see in anime, Disney, etc: What would the physiological effects be? What would be gained, and what would be lost?
science-based humans
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It is not just a stylistic choice. It has an effect: it conveys emotion in a more efficient way. Eyes in anime or animated movies are extremely expressive and much more mobile than real eyes, it can go from a single horizontal line to huge, shiny, tear-filled globes. It conveys empathy for the viewer. A world whose inhabitants would have huge eyes may communicate a lot on a non-verbal level.
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@kikirex That's an interesting observation. Conveys emotion more efficiently compared to what, the biology of humanity today? That's an artistic interpretation based on modern behaviors. If we evolved with, say 2X the eyeball diameter, would we actually be more emotionally expressive, or would there be no practical difference? Can you turn your comment into an answer and better rationalize how that would be true? The details would be fascinating.
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Anime, Disney, and many, many other works feature human characters with ridiculously oversized eyes. This is usually just a stylistic choice, and had little to no effect on anything in-story or in-universe. What if it did have an effect?
Say that a real-world human was given eyes of the same proportion as the stylized ones you see in anime, Disney, etc: What would the physiological effects be? What would be gained, and what would be lost?
science-based humans
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Anime, Disney, and many, many other works feature human characters with ridiculously oversized eyes. This is usually just a stylistic choice, and had little to no effect on anything in-story or in-universe. What if it did have an effect?
Say that a real-world human was given eyes of the same proportion as the stylized ones you see in anime, Disney, etc: What would the physiological effects be? What would be gained, and what would be lost?
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It is not just a stylistic choice. It has an effect: it conveys emotion in a more efficient way. Eyes in anime or animated movies are extremely expressive and much more mobile than real eyes, it can go from a single horizontal line to huge, shiny, tear-filled globes. It conveys empathy for the viewer. A world whose inhabitants would have huge eyes may communicate a lot on a non-verbal level.
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– kikirex
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@kikirex That's an interesting observation. Conveys emotion more efficiently compared to what, the biology of humanity today? That's an artistic interpretation based on modern behaviors. If we evolved with, say 2X the eyeball diameter, would we actually be more emotionally expressive, or would there be no practical difference? Can you turn your comment into an answer and better rationalize how that would be true? The details would be fascinating.
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– JBH
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It is not just a stylistic choice. It has an effect: it conveys emotion in a more efficient way. Eyes in anime or animated movies are extremely expressive and much more mobile than real eyes, it can go from a single horizontal line to huge, shiny, tear-filled globes. It conveys empathy for the viewer. A world whose inhabitants would have huge eyes may communicate a lot on a non-verbal level.
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– kikirex
2 hours ago
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@kikirex That's an interesting observation. Conveys emotion more efficiently compared to what, the biology of humanity today? That's an artistic interpretation based on modern behaviors. If we evolved with, say 2X the eyeball diameter, would we actually be more emotionally expressive, or would there be no practical difference? Can you turn your comment into an answer and better rationalize how that would be true? The details would be fascinating.
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– JBH
2 hours ago
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It is not just a stylistic choice. It has an effect: it conveys emotion in a more efficient way. Eyes in anime or animated movies are extremely expressive and much more mobile than real eyes, it can go from a single horizontal line to huge, shiny, tear-filled globes. It conveys empathy for the viewer. A world whose inhabitants would have huge eyes may communicate a lot on a non-verbal level.
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– kikirex
2 hours ago
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It is not just a stylistic choice. It has an effect: it conveys emotion in a more efficient way. Eyes in anime or animated movies are extremely expressive and much more mobile than real eyes, it can go from a single horizontal line to huge, shiny, tear-filled globes. It conveys empathy for the viewer. A world whose inhabitants would have huge eyes may communicate a lot on a non-verbal level.
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– kikirex
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@kikirex That's an interesting observation. Conveys emotion more efficiently compared to what, the biology of humanity today? That's an artistic interpretation based on modern behaviors. If we evolved with, say 2X the eyeball diameter, would we actually be more emotionally expressive, or would there be no practical difference? Can you turn your comment into an answer and better rationalize how that would be true? The details would be fascinating.
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– JBH
2 hours ago
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@kikirex That's an interesting observation. Conveys emotion more efficiently compared to what, the biology of humanity today? That's an artistic interpretation based on modern behaviors. If we evolved with, say 2X the eyeball diameter, would we actually be more emotionally expressive, or would there be no practical difference? Can you turn your comment into an answer and better rationalize how that would be true? The details would be fascinating.
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Can eyes be something other than spherical?
I don't have the anthropological expertise to know if there are any eyeballs in nature that aren't spherical. If nature can only make a spherical eyeball, then one of the consequences of a larger eye is less space for either (or both) the brain or the sinuses. It might also impact hearing as larger eyes might impact the auditory channels (although I believe this has a low chance of happening, unless the eyes are huge).
The result is a drop in breathing efficiency and mental capacity.
It also would require a wider skull (which might offset the two items I just mentioned). The closer together the eyes, the less valuable our 3D vision. Our brains use the data from the two eyes to "triangulate" objects in 3D space. Bigger eyes would mean wider spacing which would improve 3D acuity. And it would make our faces look much flatter. It would also increase the "blind spot" between our eyes as something approaches our noses (or, more specifically, the bridge of our nose). That would lower our ability to react to objects that might damage our eyesight or heads.
Pros:
- Better 3D acuity
Cons:
- Less space for the brain (less brain = bad)
- Less space for sinuses (harder to breathe and filter the atmosphere)
- Increases vulnerability.
But, what if they could be elliptical?
We can recover a lot of that lost space for the brain, etc, if we allow for elliptical and flattened eyes. But that has a terrible cost. Without the sphere, the "mathematics" of processing light become much more complex: and biologically that would most likely result in limitations. You also couldn't easily move the eyes with muscles, limiting the angular sweep the eyes can accommodate. So, you get the same pro, but pretty much the same number of cons, just different cons.
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Nature does have non-spherical eyes (have a look at how jumping spiders see) but that probably doesn't help here. Really what you want is a much more complex system of lenses, like we have in human-made optical systems. Have a look at the goold old Zeiss Planar for example.
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It depends on how the eye is build exactly.
Horses have some of the largest eyes of land animals (some squids have soccerball sized eyes but they have different light exposure). So size isnt the issue.
Hawks have similar size eyeballs, but way larger pupils than humans (https://images.app.goo.gl/xf8cQcrU7QECDGgt8). So overexposure isnt an immediate problem. However a larger pupil means you need a deeper eye for a sharp picture.
Aye ayes and other nocturnal creatures also use large eyes for their size in order to gather more light. Often complemented with a kind of mirror behind the fotosensitive cells to reflect the light and catch more with the cells. This is the reason why shining in the eyes of for example cats and dogs their eyes light up so weirdly.
If you go for nocturnal eyes the size can help them to see but not necessarily help them see sharply. If you go for sharp or hawk vision you have another problem: eyeball size. With eyes that big the rest of the organs in the head will have less space. This will limit the nose cavity and breathing, which will have to be moved lower in the head. This means that your mouth will be smaller and eating will be harder or your face needs to be longer. But that is nothing when you consider the brain. If you keep human dimensions their brain will be smaller, and their intelligence will suffer for it.
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I'm no biologist so I'll stay away from skull size, capturing more light or others physiological effects that L.Dutch and JBH already covered; instead I will focus on a more psychological aspect.
Big eyes convey a lot of non-verbal communication
Big eyes in animation are a trope because "eyes are the mirror of the soul". This is the part of the body most of us notice first. Also, eyes are capable of conveying a lot of information for someone who can read it: envy, lies, fatigue, sadness... human have evolved to a point where we can understand other's emotions without having even beginning to talk.
My guess is that bigger, anime-style eyes, would be much more mobile and expressive. The average human eye has twelve muscles, and i'm not counting those for the eyelashes, etc. With eyes twice the size, these muscles could provide a lot more of expressions, from the most subtle wink to a full black-eyed pupil.
So, what's the use?
Seduction/intimidation
Big eyes convey empathy. When you crave for something, be it a sexual partner or that fancy pair of shoes, your subconcious make your eyes widen, so you can capture more light and see better what caused this sudden urge. And, on the other side, it is known that dilated pupils are considered as more desirable trais when seeking for a mating partner.
But your eyes also widen more when in conflict. This is one of the answers of our body for an imminent fight-or-flee situation: we are aware there is danger and we are already seeking an exit. Showing big eyes with black dilated pupils at this point is telling your opponent: "I am ready to fight" and can be a factor of intimidation. This is why some animals sometimes show "fake eyes", they serve as a way to fool predators into thinking they are staring at the face of an even bigger creature.
Long story short: your big-eyed humans may probably demonstrate more animal behavior, related to instinct, when it comes to seduction or intimidation, and may be able to read other people's emotions much more accurately, to the point it could even look like a form of telepathy.
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With a pupil twice or thrice the diameter of a normal human eyes, the eyes of your manga men would harvest from four to eight times the light human eyes do, thus they would hardly be able to tolerate full day light, and would be better nocturnal creatures.
As a consequence they would be pale skinned, since melanine wouldn't be needed.
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This is an interesting point. Can we assume that Terrestrial biology is so consistent that we can say the rods and cones wouldn't be desensitized in a larger eye? I'm curious. I'm certain that I'm oversimplifying something awful, but I assume the basic evolutionary trend is, "the most capability with the most protected solution" which means the smallest possible eyes with the greatest possible utility. I think.
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Horses have eyes of up to 5cm and dont have immediate problem. Although their pupils do have an alternative shape, it is not impossible for anime eyes to work normally unless you really scale up human eyes to such sizes. But these are ANIME eyes, which can be found on both humans and many anthropomorphological (is that spelled right?) creatures. I see no reason why these anime eyes would be upscaled human eyes.
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Is this answer supposed to be humoristic and I have just suffered of a sudden attack of humorlessness? Or else, are you completely uninterested in photography? What counts is not the size of the entry pupil as such, but the relative size of the entry pupil with respect to the image; that's why in photography we measure aperture as a relative number, say ƒ/2 or ƒ/4. The pupil being 2 or 3 as large means it gathers 4 or 9 times as much light which then falls on a 4 or 9 times as large image area, for an overall identical image brightness. The only net effect is less noise in low light.
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Can eyes be something other than spherical?
I don't have the anthropological expertise to know if there are any eyeballs in nature that aren't spherical. If nature can only make a spherical eyeball, then one of the consequences of a larger eye is less space for either (or both) the brain or the sinuses. It might also impact hearing as larger eyes might impact the auditory channels (although I believe this has a low chance of happening, unless the eyes are huge).
The result is a drop in breathing efficiency and mental capacity.
It also would require a wider skull (which might offset the two items I just mentioned). The closer together the eyes, the less valuable our 3D vision. Our brains use the data from the two eyes to "triangulate" objects in 3D space. Bigger eyes would mean wider spacing which would improve 3D acuity. And it would make our faces look much flatter. It would also increase the "blind spot" between our eyes as something approaches our noses (or, more specifically, the bridge of our nose). That would lower our ability to react to objects that might damage our eyesight or heads.
Pros:
- Better 3D acuity
Cons:
- Less space for the brain (less brain = bad)
- Less space for sinuses (harder to breathe and filter the atmosphere)
- Increases vulnerability.
But, what if they could be elliptical?
We can recover a lot of that lost space for the brain, etc, if we allow for elliptical and flattened eyes. But that has a terrible cost. Without the sphere, the "mathematics" of processing light become much more complex: and biologically that would most likely result in limitations. You also couldn't easily move the eyes with muscles, limiting the angular sweep the eyes can accommodate. So, you get the same pro, but pretty much the same number of cons, just different cons.
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Nature does have non-spherical eyes (have a look at how jumping spiders see) but that probably doesn't help here. Really what you want is a much more complex system of lenses, like we have in human-made optical systems. Have a look at the goold old Zeiss Planar for example.
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– Starfish Prime
13 mins ago
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Can eyes be something other than spherical?
I don't have the anthropological expertise to know if there are any eyeballs in nature that aren't spherical. If nature can only make a spherical eyeball, then one of the consequences of a larger eye is less space for either (or both) the brain or the sinuses. It might also impact hearing as larger eyes might impact the auditory channels (although I believe this has a low chance of happening, unless the eyes are huge).
The result is a drop in breathing efficiency and mental capacity.
It also would require a wider skull (which might offset the two items I just mentioned). The closer together the eyes, the less valuable our 3D vision. Our brains use the data from the two eyes to "triangulate" objects in 3D space. Bigger eyes would mean wider spacing which would improve 3D acuity. And it would make our faces look much flatter. It would also increase the "blind spot" between our eyes as something approaches our noses (or, more specifically, the bridge of our nose). That would lower our ability to react to objects that might damage our eyesight or heads.
Pros:
- Better 3D acuity
Cons:
- Less space for the brain (less brain = bad)
- Less space for sinuses (harder to breathe and filter the atmosphere)
- Increases vulnerability.
But, what if they could be elliptical?
We can recover a lot of that lost space for the brain, etc, if we allow for elliptical and flattened eyes. But that has a terrible cost. Without the sphere, the "mathematics" of processing light become much more complex: and biologically that would most likely result in limitations. You also couldn't easily move the eyes with muscles, limiting the angular sweep the eyes can accommodate. So, you get the same pro, but pretty much the same number of cons, just different cons.
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Nature does have non-spherical eyes (have a look at how jumping spiders see) but that probably doesn't help here. Really what you want is a much more complex system of lenses, like we have in human-made optical systems. Have a look at the goold old Zeiss Planar for example.
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– Starfish Prime
13 mins ago
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Can eyes be something other than spherical?
I don't have the anthropological expertise to know if there are any eyeballs in nature that aren't spherical. If nature can only make a spherical eyeball, then one of the consequences of a larger eye is less space for either (or both) the brain or the sinuses. It might also impact hearing as larger eyes might impact the auditory channels (although I believe this has a low chance of happening, unless the eyes are huge).
The result is a drop in breathing efficiency and mental capacity.
It also would require a wider skull (which might offset the two items I just mentioned). The closer together the eyes, the less valuable our 3D vision. Our brains use the data from the two eyes to "triangulate" objects in 3D space. Bigger eyes would mean wider spacing which would improve 3D acuity. And it would make our faces look much flatter. It would also increase the "blind spot" between our eyes as something approaches our noses (or, more specifically, the bridge of our nose). That would lower our ability to react to objects that might damage our eyesight or heads.
Pros:
- Better 3D acuity
Cons:
- Less space for the brain (less brain = bad)
- Less space for sinuses (harder to breathe and filter the atmosphere)
- Increases vulnerability.
But, what if they could be elliptical?
We can recover a lot of that lost space for the brain, etc, if we allow for elliptical and flattened eyes. But that has a terrible cost. Without the sphere, the "mathematics" of processing light become much more complex: and biologically that would most likely result in limitations. You also couldn't easily move the eyes with muscles, limiting the angular sweep the eyes can accommodate. So, you get the same pro, but pretty much the same number of cons, just different cons.
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Can eyes be something other than spherical?
I don't have the anthropological expertise to know if there are any eyeballs in nature that aren't spherical. If nature can only make a spherical eyeball, then one of the consequences of a larger eye is less space for either (or both) the brain or the sinuses. It might also impact hearing as larger eyes might impact the auditory channels (although I believe this has a low chance of happening, unless the eyes are huge).
The result is a drop in breathing efficiency and mental capacity.
It also would require a wider skull (which might offset the two items I just mentioned). The closer together the eyes, the less valuable our 3D vision. Our brains use the data from the two eyes to "triangulate" objects in 3D space. Bigger eyes would mean wider spacing which would improve 3D acuity. And it would make our faces look much flatter. It would also increase the "blind spot" between our eyes as something approaches our noses (or, more specifically, the bridge of our nose). That would lower our ability to react to objects that might damage our eyesight or heads.
Pros:
- Better 3D acuity
Cons:
- Less space for the brain (less brain = bad)
- Less space for sinuses (harder to breathe and filter the atmosphere)
- Increases vulnerability.
But, what if they could be elliptical?
We can recover a lot of that lost space for the brain, etc, if we allow for elliptical and flattened eyes. But that has a terrible cost. Without the sphere, the "mathematics" of processing light become much more complex: and biologically that would most likely result in limitations. You also couldn't easily move the eyes with muscles, limiting the angular sweep the eyes can accommodate. So, you get the same pro, but pretty much the same number of cons, just different cons.
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Nature does have non-spherical eyes (have a look at how jumping spiders see) but that probably doesn't help here. Really what you want is a much more complex system of lenses, like we have in human-made optical systems. Have a look at the goold old Zeiss Planar for example.
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– Starfish Prime
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Nature does have non-spherical eyes (have a look at how jumping spiders see) but that probably doesn't help here. Really what you want is a much more complex system of lenses, like we have in human-made optical systems. Have a look at the goold old Zeiss Planar for example.
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– Starfish Prime
13 mins ago
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Nature does have non-spherical eyes (have a look at how jumping spiders see) but that probably doesn't help here. Really what you want is a much more complex system of lenses, like we have in human-made optical systems. Have a look at the goold old Zeiss Planar for example.
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– Starfish Prime
13 mins ago
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Nature does have non-spherical eyes (have a look at how jumping spiders see) but that probably doesn't help here. Really what you want is a much more complex system of lenses, like we have in human-made optical systems. Have a look at the goold old Zeiss Planar for example.
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– Starfish Prime
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It depends on how the eye is build exactly.
Horses have some of the largest eyes of land animals (some squids have soccerball sized eyes but they have different light exposure). So size isnt the issue.
Hawks have similar size eyeballs, but way larger pupils than humans (https://images.app.goo.gl/xf8cQcrU7QECDGgt8). So overexposure isnt an immediate problem. However a larger pupil means you need a deeper eye for a sharp picture.
Aye ayes and other nocturnal creatures also use large eyes for their size in order to gather more light. Often complemented with a kind of mirror behind the fotosensitive cells to reflect the light and catch more with the cells. This is the reason why shining in the eyes of for example cats and dogs their eyes light up so weirdly.
If you go for nocturnal eyes the size can help them to see but not necessarily help them see sharply. If you go for sharp or hawk vision you have another problem: eyeball size. With eyes that big the rest of the organs in the head will have less space. This will limit the nose cavity and breathing, which will have to be moved lower in the head. This means that your mouth will be smaller and eating will be harder or your face needs to be longer. But that is nothing when you consider the brain. If you keep human dimensions their brain will be smaller, and their intelligence will suffer for it.
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It depends on how the eye is build exactly.
Horses have some of the largest eyes of land animals (some squids have soccerball sized eyes but they have different light exposure). So size isnt the issue.
Hawks have similar size eyeballs, but way larger pupils than humans (https://images.app.goo.gl/xf8cQcrU7QECDGgt8). So overexposure isnt an immediate problem. However a larger pupil means you need a deeper eye for a sharp picture.
Aye ayes and other nocturnal creatures also use large eyes for their size in order to gather more light. Often complemented with a kind of mirror behind the fotosensitive cells to reflect the light and catch more with the cells. This is the reason why shining in the eyes of for example cats and dogs their eyes light up so weirdly.
If you go for nocturnal eyes the size can help them to see but not necessarily help them see sharply. If you go for sharp or hawk vision you have another problem: eyeball size. With eyes that big the rest of the organs in the head will have less space. This will limit the nose cavity and breathing, which will have to be moved lower in the head. This means that your mouth will be smaller and eating will be harder or your face needs to be longer. But that is nothing when you consider the brain. If you keep human dimensions their brain will be smaller, and their intelligence will suffer for it.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
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It depends on how the eye is build exactly.
Horses have some of the largest eyes of land animals (some squids have soccerball sized eyes but they have different light exposure). So size isnt the issue.
Hawks have similar size eyeballs, but way larger pupils than humans (https://images.app.goo.gl/xf8cQcrU7QECDGgt8). So overexposure isnt an immediate problem. However a larger pupil means you need a deeper eye for a sharp picture.
Aye ayes and other nocturnal creatures also use large eyes for their size in order to gather more light. Often complemented with a kind of mirror behind the fotosensitive cells to reflect the light and catch more with the cells. This is the reason why shining in the eyes of for example cats and dogs their eyes light up so weirdly.
If you go for nocturnal eyes the size can help them to see but not necessarily help them see sharply. If you go for sharp or hawk vision you have another problem: eyeball size. With eyes that big the rest of the organs in the head will have less space. This will limit the nose cavity and breathing, which will have to be moved lower in the head. This means that your mouth will be smaller and eating will be harder or your face needs to be longer. But that is nothing when you consider the brain. If you keep human dimensions their brain will be smaller, and their intelligence will suffer for it.
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It depends on how the eye is build exactly.
Horses have some of the largest eyes of land animals (some squids have soccerball sized eyes but they have different light exposure). So size isnt the issue.
Hawks have similar size eyeballs, but way larger pupils than humans (https://images.app.goo.gl/xf8cQcrU7QECDGgt8). So overexposure isnt an immediate problem. However a larger pupil means you need a deeper eye for a sharp picture.
Aye ayes and other nocturnal creatures also use large eyes for their size in order to gather more light. Often complemented with a kind of mirror behind the fotosensitive cells to reflect the light and catch more with the cells. This is the reason why shining in the eyes of for example cats and dogs their eyes light up so weirdly.
If you go for nocturnal eyes the size can help them to see but not necessarily help them see sharply. If you go for sharp or hawk vision you have another problem: eyeball size. With eyes that big the rest of the organs in the head will have less space. This will limit the nose cavity and breathing, which will have to be moved lower in the head. This means that your mouth will be smaller and eating will be harder or your face needs to be longer. But that is nothing when you consider the brain. If you keep human dimensions their brain will be smaller, and their intelligence will suffer for it.
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I'm no biologist so I'll stay away from skull size, capturing more light or others physiological effects that L.Dutch and JBH already covered; instead I will focus on a more psychological aspect.
Big eyes convey a lot of non-verbal communication
Big eyes in animation are a trope because "eyes are the mirror of the soul". This is the part of the body most of us notice first. Also, eyes are capable of conveying a lot of information for someone who can read it: envy, lies, fatigue, sadness... human have evolved to a point where we can understand other's emotions without having even beginning to talk.
My guess is that bigger, anime-style eyes, would be much more mobile and expressive. The average human eye has twelve muscles, and i'm not counting those for the eyelashes, etc. With eyes twice the size, these muscles could provide a lot more of expressions, from the most subtle wink to a full black-eyed pupil.
So, what's the use?
Seduction/intimidation
Big eyes convey empathy. When you crave for something, be it a sexual partner or that fancy pair of shoes, your subconcious make your eyes widen, so you can capture more light and see better what caused this sudden urge. And, on the other side, it is known that dilated pupils are considered as more desirable trais when seeking for a mating partner.
But your eyes also widen more when in conflict. This is one of the answers of our body for an imminent fight-or-flee situation: we are aware there is danger and we are already seeking an exit. Showing big eyes with black dilated pupils at this point is telling your opponent: "I am ready to fight" and can be a factor of intimidation. This is why some animals sometimes show "fake eyes", they serve as a way to fool predators into thinking they are staring at the face of an even bigger creature.
Long story short: your big-eyed humans may probably demonstrate more animal behavior, related to instinct, when it comes to seduction or intimidation, and may be able to read other people's emotions much more accurately, to the point it could even look like a form of telepathy.
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I'm no biologist so I'll stay away from skull size, capturing more light or others physiological effects that L.Dutch and JBH already covered; instead I will focus on a more psychological aspect.
Big eyes convey a lot of non-verbal communication
Big eyes in animation are a trope because "eyes are the mirror of the soul". This is the part of the body most of us notice first. Also, eyes are capable of conveying a lot of information for someone who can read it: envy, lies, fatigue, sadness... human have evolved to a point where we can understand other's emotions without having even beginning to talk.
My guess is that bigger, anime-style eyes, would be much more mobile and expressive. The average human eye has twelve muscles, and i'm not counting those for the eyelashes, etc. With eyes twice the size, these muscles could provide a lot more of expressions, from the most subtle wink to a full black-eyed pupil.
So, what's the use?
Seduction/intimidation
Big eyes convey empathy. When you crave for something, be it a sexual partner or that fancy pair of shoes, your subconcious make your eyes widen, so you can capture more light and see better what caused this sudden urge. And, on the other side, it is known that dilated pupils are considered as more desirable trais when seeking for a mating partner.
But your eyes also widen more when in conflict. This is one of the answers of our body for an imminent fight-or-flee situation: we are aware there is danger and we are already seeking an exit. Showing big eyes with black dilated pupils at this point is telling your opponent: "I am ready to fight" and can be a factor of intimidation. This is why some animals sometimes show "fake eyes", they serve as a way to fool predators into thinking they are staring at the face of an even bigger creature.
Long story short: your big-eyed humans may probably demonstrate more animal behavior, related to instinct, when it comes to seduction or intimidation, and may be able to read other people's emotions much more accurately, to the point it could even look like a form of telepathy.
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I'm no biologist so I'll stay away from skull size, capturing more light or others physiological effects that L.Dutch and JBH already covered; instead I will focus on a more psychological aspect.
Big eyes convey a lot of non-verbal communication
Big eyes in animation are a trope because "eyes are the mirror of the soul". This is the part of the body most of us notice first. Also, eyes are capable of conveying a lot of information for someone who can read it: envy, lies, fatigue, sadness... human have evolved to a point where we can understand other's emotions without having even beginning to talk.
My guess is that bigger, anime-style eyes, would be much more mobile and expressive. The average human eye has twelve muscles, and i'm not counting those for the eyelashes, etc. With eyes twice the size, these muscles could provide a lot more of expressions, from the most subtle wink to a full black-eyed pupil.
So, what's the use?
Seduction/intimidation
Big eyes convey empathy. When you crave for something, be it a sexual partner or that fancy pair of shoes, your subconcious make your eyes widen, so you can capture more light and see better what caused this sudden urge. And, on the other side, it is known that dilated pupils are considered as more desirable trais when seeking for a mating partner.
But your eyes also widen more when in conflict. This is one of the answers of our body for an imminent fight-or-flee situation: we are aware there is danger and we are already seeking an exit. Showing big eyes with black dilated pupils at this point is telling your opponent: "I am ready to fight" and can be a factor of intimidation. This is why some animals sometimes show "fake eyes", they serve as a way to fool predators into thinking they are staring at the face of an even bigger creature.
Long story short: your big-eyed humans may probably demonstrate more animal behavior, related to instinct, when it comes to seduction or intimidation, and may be able to read other people's emotions much more accurately, to the point it could even look like a form of telepathy.
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I'm no biologist so I'll stay away from skull size, capturing more light or others physiological effects that L.Dutch and JBH already covered; instead I will focus on a more psychological aspect.
Big eyes convey a lot of non-verbal communication
Big eyes in animation are a trope because "eyes are the mirror of the soul". This is the part of the body most of us notice first. Also, eyes are capable of conveying a lot of information for someone who can read it: envy, lies, fatigue, sadness... human have evolved to a point where we can understand other's emotions without having even beginning to talk.
My guess is that bigger, anime-style eyes, would be much more mobile and expressive. The average human eye has twelve muscles, and i'm not counting those for the eyelashes, etc. With eyes twice the size, these muscles could provide a lot more of expressions, from the most subtle wink to a full black-eyed pupil.
So, what's the use?
Seduction/intimidation
Big eyes convey empathy. When you crave for something, be it a sexual partner or that fancy pair of shoes, your subconcious make your eyes widen, so you can capture more light and see better what caused this sudden urge. And, on the other side, it is known that dilated pupils are considered as more desirable trais when seeking for a mating partner.
But your eyes also widen more when in conflict. This is one of the answers of our body for an imminent fight-or-flee situation: we are aware there is danger and we are already seeking an exit. Showing big eyes with black dilated pupils at this point is telling your opponent: "I am ready to fight" and can be a factor of intimidation. This is why some animals sometimes show "fake eyes", they serve as a way to fool predators into thinking they are staring at the face of an even bigger creature.
Long story short: your big-eyed humans may probably demonstrate more animal behavior, related to instinct, when it comes to seduction or intimidation, and may be able to read other people's emotions much more accurately, to the point it could even look like a form of telepathy.
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With a pupil twice or thrice the diameter of a normal human eyes, the eyes of your manga men would harvest from four to eight times the light human eyes do, thus they would hardly be able to tolerate full day light, and would be better nocturnal creatures.
As a consequence they would be pale skinned, since melanine wouldn't be needed.
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This is an interesting point. Can we assume that Terrestrial biology is so consistent that we can say the rods and cones wouldn't be desensitized in a larger eye? I'm curious. I'm certain that I'm oversimplifying something awful, but I assume the basic evolutionary trend is, "the most capability with the most protected solution" which means the smallest possible eyes with the greatest possible utility. I think.
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– JBH
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Horses have eyes of up to 5cm and dont have immediate problem. Although their pupils do have an alternative shape, it is not impossible for anime eyes to work normally unless you really scale up human eyes to such sizes. But these are ANIME eyes, which can be found on both humans and many anthropomorphological (is that spelled right?) creatures. I see no reason why these anime eyes would be upscaled human eyes.
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– Demigan
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Is this answer supposed to be humoristic and I have just suffered of a sudden attack of humorlessness? Or else, are you completely uninterested in photography? What counts is not the size of the entry pupil as such, but the relative size of the entry pupil with respect to the image; that's why in photography we measure aperture as a relative number, say ƒ/2 or ƒ/4. The pupil being 2 or 3 as large means it gathers 4 or 9 times as much light which then falls on a 4 or 9 times as large image area, for an overall identical image brightness. The only net effect is less noise in low light.
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– AlexP
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With a pupil twice or thrice the diameter of a normal human eyes, the eyes of your manga men would harvest from four to eight times the light human eyes do, thus they would hardly be able to tolerate full day light, and would be better nocturnal creatures.
As a consequence they would be pale skinned, since melanine wouldn't be needed.
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This is an interesting point. Can we assume that Terrestrial biology is so consistent that we can say the rods and cones wouldn't be desensitized in a larger eye? I'm curious. I'm certain that I'm oversimplifying something awful, but I assume the basic evolutionary trend is, "the most capability with the most protected solution" which means the smallest possible eyes with the greatest possible utility. I think.
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– JBH
2 hours ago
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Horses have eyes of up to 5cm and dont have immediate problem. Although their pupils do have an alternative shape, it is not impossible for anime eyes to work normally unless you really scale up human eyes to such sizes. But these are ANIME eyes, which can be found on both humans and many anthropomorphological (is that spelled right?) creatures. I see no reason why these anime eyes would be upscaled human eyes.
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– Demigan
1 hour ago
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Is this answer supposed to be humoristic and I have just suffered of a sudden attack of humorlessness? Or else, are you completely uninterested in photography? What counts is not the size of the entry pupil as such, but the relative size of the entry pupil with respect to the image; that's why in photography we measure aperture as a relative number, say ƒ/2 or ƒ/4. The pupil being 2 or 3 as large means it gathers 4 or 9 times as much light which then falls on a 4 or 9 times as large image area, for an overall identical image brightness. The only net effect is less noise in low light.
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– AlexP
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With a pupil twice or thrice the diameter of a normal human eyes, the eyes of your manga men would harvest from four to eight times the light human eyes do, thus they would hardly be able to tolerate full day light, and would be better nocturnal creatures.
As a consequence they would be pale skinned, since melanine wouldn't be needed.
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With a pupil twice or thrice the diameter of a normal human eyes, the eyes of your manga men would harvest from four to eight times the light human eyes do, thus they would hardly be able to tolerate full day light, and would be better nocturnal creatures.
As a consequence they would be pale skinned, since melanine wouldn't be needed.
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This is an interesting point. Can we assume that Terrestrial biology is so consistent that we can say the rods and cones wouldn't be desensitized in a larger eye? I'm curious. I'm certain that I'm oversimplifying something awful, but I assume the basic evolutionary trend is, "the most capability with the most protected solution" which means the smallest possible eyes with the greatest possible utility. I think.
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– JBH
2 hours ago
1
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Horses have eyes of up to 5cm and dont have immediate problem. Although their pupils do have an alternative shape, it is not impossible for anime eyes to work normally unless you really scale up human eyes to such sizes. But these are ANIME eyes, which can be found on both humans and many anthropomorphological (is that spelled right?) creatures. I see no reason why these anime eyes would be upscaled human eyes.
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– Demigan
1 hour ago
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Is this answer supposed to be humoristic and I have just suffered of a sudden attack of humorlessness? Or else, are you completely uninterested in photography? What counts is not the size of the entry pupil as such, but the relative size of the entry pupil with respect to the image; that's why in photography we measure aperture as a relative number, say ƒ/2 or ƒ/4. The pupil being 2 or 3 as large means it gathers 4 or 9 times as much light which then falls on a 4 or 9 times as large image area, for an overall identical image brightness. The only net effect is less noise in low light.
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– AlexP
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This is an interesting point. Can we assume that Terrestrial biology is so consistent that we can say the rods and cones wouldn't be desensitized in a larger eye? I'm curious. I'm certain that I'm oversimplifying something awful, but I assume the basic evolutionary trend is, "the most capability with the most protected solution" which means the smallest possible eyes with the greatest possible utility. I think.
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– JBH
2 hours ago
1
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Horses have eyes of up to 5cm and dont have immediate problem. Although their pupils do have an alternative shape, it is not impossible for anime eyes to work normally unless you really scale up human eyes to such sizes. But these are ANIME eyes, which can be found on both humans and many anthropomorphological (is that spelled right?) creatures. I see no reason why these anime eyes would be upscaled human eyes.
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– Demigan
1 hour ago
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Is this answer supposed to be humoristic and I have just suffered of a sudden attack of humorlessness? Or else, are you completely uninterested in photography? What counts is not the size of the entry pupil as such, but the relative size of the entry pupil with respect to the image; that's why in photography we measure aperture as a relative number, say ƒ/2 or ƒ/4. The pupil being 2 or 3 as large means it gathers 4 or 9 times as much light which then falls on a 4 or 9 times as large image area, for an overall identical image brightness. The only net effect is less noise in low light.
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– AlexP
27 mins ago
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This is an interesting point. Can we assume that Terrestrial biology is so consistent that we can say the rods and cones wouldn't be desensitized in a larger eye? I'm curious. I'm certain that I'm oversimplifying something awful, but I assume the basic evolutionary trend is, "the most capability with the most protected solution" which means the smallest possible eyes with the greatest possible utility. I think.
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– JBH
2 hours ago
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This is an interesting point. Can we assume that Terrestrial biology is so consistent that we can say the rods and cones wouldn't be desensitized in a larger eye? I'm curious. I'm certain that I'm oversimplifying something awful, but I assume the basic evolutionary trend is, "the most capability with the most protected solution" which means the smallest possible eyes with the greatest possible utility. I think.
$endgroup$
– JBH
2 hours ago
1
1
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Horses have eyes of up to 5cm and dont have immediate problem. Although their pupils do have an alternative shape, it is not impossible for anime eyes to work normally unless you really scale up human eyes to such sizes. But these are ANIME eyes, which can be found on both humans and many anthropomorphological (is that spelled right?) creatures. I see no reason why these anime eyes would be upscaled human eyes.
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– Demigan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Horses have eyes of up to 5cm and dont have immediate problem. Although their pupils do have an alternative shape, it is not impossible for anime eyes to work normally unless you really scale up human eyes to such sizes. But these are ANIME eyes, which can be found on both humans and many anthropomorphological (is that spelled right?) creatures. I see no reason why these anime eyes would be upscaled human eyes.
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– Demigan
1 hour ago
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1
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Is this answer supposed to be humoristic and I have just suffered of a sudden attack of humorlessness? Or else, are you completely uninterested in photography? What counts is not the size of the entry pupil as such, but the relative size of the entry pupil with respect to the image; that's why in photography we measure aperture as a relative number, say ƒ/2 or ƒ/4. The pupil being 2 or 3 as large means it gathers 4 or 9 times as much light which then falls on a 4 or 9 times as large image area, for an overall identical image brightness. The only net effect is less noise in low light.
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– AlexP
27 mins ago
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Is this answer supposed to be humoristic and I have just suffered of a sudden attack of humorlessness? Or else, are you completely uninterested in photography? What counts is not the size of the entry pupil as such, but the relative size of the entry pupil with respect to the image; that's why in photography we measure aperture as a relative number, say ƒ/2 or ƒ/4. The pupil being 2 or 3 as large means it gathers 4 or 9 times as much light which then falls on a 4 or 9 times as large image area, for an overall identical image brightness. The only net effect is less noise in low light.
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– AlexP
27 mins ago
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It is not just a stylistic choice. It has an effect: it conveys emotion in a more efficient way. Eyes in anime or animated movies are extremely expressive and much more mobile than real eyes, it can go from a single horizontal line to huge, shiny, tear-filled globes. It conveys empathy for the viewer. A world whose inhabitants would have huge eyes may communicate a lot on a non-verbal level.
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@kikirex That's an interesting observation. Conveys emotion more efficiently compared to what, the biology of humanity today? That's an artistic interpretation based on modern behaviors. If we evolved with, say 2X the eyeball diameter, would we actually be more emotionally expressive, or would there be no practical difference? Can you turn your comment into an answer and better rationalize how that would be true? The details would be fascinating.
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– JBH
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