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How long can I let a steak rest after seasoning and before cooking?


How long do you let a steak from the fridge come up to temperature, and when do you salt it?How long / to what temperature should I let meat rest?What do I need to know about temperature and food safety?How long do you let a steak from the fridge come up to temperature, and when do you salt it?Why should I “rest” meat after cooking?Should meat be seasoned before or after cooking?Does butter really penetrate a steak when allowing it to rest after cooking?How can I add meat into a completed tomato sauce?Freeze meat before or after cooking?How long / to what temperature should I let meat rest?Should I season my sushi rice before or after cooking?Seasoning none stick teflon pansCan you Refreeze baked/cooked chicken? How long can it stay in refrigerator after cooked?













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I read over at Serious eats that when seasoning a steak, you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more.



(To sum up the article, this is due to a process of osmosis that starts after salting, drawing out the liquids, and it takes at least 40 minutes for enough of them to be reabsorbed)



Anyway, they say that after the 40 minute mark, the longer I leave the meat to rest, the better it will come out at the end.



My question is: How long is too long? I imagine that at some point the meat will dehydrate (less likely) or go bad. At which conditions should I leave it and when is the point of no return?










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  • Possible duplicate: How long do you let a steak from the fridge come up to temperature, and when do you salt it?

    – Aaronut
    Apr 6 '11 at 22:39












  • This is not quite what I asked... I am coming from the asummption that the longer the steak is left to rest after seasoning, the better it will get. My question is where to draw the limit and how to keep it from going bad this time.

    – hizki
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:10











  • If you're asking how long it is safe to leave a raw steak out then that is answered by What Do I Need To Know About Temperature And Food Safety?. The seasoning makes no difference, and it will go bad long before it dries out.

    – Aaronut
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:21











  • This is more in the lines of what I was trying to ask, but it's a bit complicated and generic answer to my question. You're probably right about dehydration not being a concern, and that the seasoning makes no difference. I would still appreciate if I'd get an answer as to how and where I should leave the meat to rest, and how long to leave at there...

    – hizki
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:37











  • This is the reabsorption I was talking about in the recent question regarding getting a juicy burger!

    – ElendilTheTall
    Apr 7 '11 at 7:06















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I read over at Serious eats that when seasoning a steak, you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more.



(To sum up the article, this is due to a process of osmosis that starts after salting, drawing out the liquids, and it takes at least 40 minutes for enough of them to be reabsorbed)



Anyway, they say that after the 40 minute mark, the longer I leave the meat to rest, the better it will come out at the end.



My question is: How long is too long? I imagine that at some point the meat will dehydrate (less likely) or go bad. At which conditions should I leave it and when is the point of no return?










share|improve this question
























  • Possible duplicate: How long do you let a steak from the fridge come up to temperature, and when do you salt it?

    – Aaronut
    Apr 6 '11 at 22:39












  • This is not quite what I asked... I am coming from the asummption that the longer the steak is left to rest after seasoning, the better it will get. My question is where to draw the limit and how to keep it from going bad this time.

    – hizki
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:10











  • If you're asking how long it is safe to leave a raw steak out then that is answered by What Do I Need To Know About Temperature And Food Safety?. The seasoning makes no difference, and it will go bad long before it dries out.

    – Aaronut
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:21











  • This is more in the lines of what I was trying to ask, but it's a bit complicated and generic answer to my question. You're probably right about dehydration not being a concern, and that the seasoning makes no difference. I would still appreciate if I'd get an answer as to how and where I should leave the meat to rest, and how long to leave at there...

    – hizki
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:37











  • This is the reabsorption I was talking about in the recent question regarding getting a juicy burger!

    – ElendilTheTall
    Apr 7 '11 at 7:06













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I read over at Serious eats that when seasoning a steak, you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more.



(To sum up the article, this is due to a process of osmosis that starts after salting, drawing out the liquids, and it takes at least 40 minutes for enough of them to be reabsorbed)



Anyway, they say that after the 40 minute mark, the longer I leave the meat to rest, the better it will come out at the end.



My question is: How long is too long? I imagine that at some point the meat will dehydrate (less likely) or go bad. At which conditions should I leave it and when is the point of no return?










share|improve this question
















I read over at Serious eats that when seasoning a steak, you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more.



(To sum up the article, this is due to a process of osmosis that starts after salting, drawing out the liquids, and it takes at least 40 minutes for enough of them to be reabsorbed)



Anyway, they say that after the 40 minute mark, the longer I leave the meat to rest, the better it will come out at the end.



My question is: How long is too long? I imagine that at some point the meat will dehydrate (less likely) or go bad. At which conditions should I leave it and when is the point of no return?







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  • Possible duplicate: How long do you let a steak from the fridge come up to temperature, and when do you salt it?

    – Aaronut
    Apr 6 '11 at 22:39












  • This is not quite what I asked... I am coming from the asummption that the longer the steak is left to rest after seasoning, the better it will get. My question is where to draw the limit and how to keep it from going bad this time.

    – hizki
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:10











  • If you're asking how long it is safe to leave a raw steak out then that is answered by What Do I Need To Know About Temperature And Food Safety?. The seasoning makes no difference, and it will go bad long before it dries out.

    – Aaronut
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:21











  • This is more in the lines of what I was trying to ask, but it's a bit complicated and generic answer to my question. You're probably right about dehydration not being a concern, and that the seasoning makes no difference. I would still appreciate if I'd get an answer as to how and where I should leave the meat to rest, and how long to leave at there...

    – hizki
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:37











  • This is the reabsorption I was talking about in the recent question regarding getting a juicy burger!

    – ElendilTheTall
    Apr 7 '11 at 7:06

















  • Possible duplicate: How long do you let a steak from the fridge come up to temperature, and when do you salt it?

    – Aaronut
    Apr 6 '11 at 22:39












  • This is not quite what I asked... I am coming from the asummption that the longer the steak is left to rest after seasoning, the better it will get. My question is where to draw the limit and how to keep it from going bad this time.

    – hizki
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:10











  • If you're asking how long it is safe to leave a raw steak out then that is answered by What Do I Need To Know About Temperature And Food Safety?. The seasoning makes no difference, and it will go bad long before it dries out.

    – Aaronut
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:21











  • This is more in the lines of what I was trying to ask, but it's a bit complicated and generic answer to my question. You're probably right about dehydration not being a concern, and that the seasoning makes no difference. I would still appreciate if I'd get an answer as to how and where I should leave the meat to rest, and how long to leave at there...

    – hizki
    Apr 6 '11 at 23:37











  • This is the reabsorption I was talking about in the recent question regarding getting a juicy burger!

    – ElendilTheTall
    Apr 7 '11 at 7:06
















Possible duplicate: How long do you let a steak from the fridge come up to temperature, and when do you salt it?

– Aaronut
Apr 6 '11 at 22:39






Possible duplicate: How long do you let a steak from the fridge come up to temperature, and when do you salt it?

– Aaronut
Apr 6 '11 at 22:39














This is not quite what I asked... I am coming from the asummption that the longer the steak is left to rest after seasoning, the better it will get. My question is where to draw the limit and how to keep it from going bad this time.

– hizki
Apr 6 '11 at 23:10





This is not quite what I asked... I am coming from the asummption that the longer the steak is left to rest after seasoning, the better it will get. My question is where to draw the limit and how to keep it from going bad this time.

– hizki
Apr 6 '11 at 23:10













If you're asking how long it is safe to leave a raw steak out then that is answered by What Do I Need To Know About Temperature And Food Safety?. The seasoning makes no difference, and it will go bad long before it dries out.

– Aaronut
Apr 6 '11 at 23:21





If you're asking how long it is safe to leave a raw steak out then that is answered by What Do I Need To Know About Temperature And Food Safety?. The seasoning makes no difference, and it will go bad long before it dries out.

– Aaronut
Apr 6 '11 at 23:21













This is more in the lines of what I was trying to ask, but it's a bit complicated and generic answer to my question. You're probably right about dehydration not being a concern, and that the seasoning makes no difference. I would still appreciate if I'd get an answer as to how and where I should leave the meat to rest, and how long to leave at there...

– hizki
Apr 6 '11 at 23:37





This is more in the lines of what I was trying to ask, but it's a bit complicated and generic answer to my question. You're probably right about dehydration not being a concern, and that the seasoning makes no difference. I would still appreciate if I'd get an answer as to how and where I should leave the meat to rest, and how long to leave at there...

– hizki
Apr 6 '11 at 23:37













This is the reabsorption I was talking about in the recent question regarding getting a juicy burger!

– ElendilTheTall
Apr 7 '11 at 7:06





This is the reabsorption I was talking about in the recent question regarding getting a juicy burger!

– ElendilTheTall
Apr 7 '11 at 7:06










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The one problem I see with the article is that they cook the steak "as is" after letting it rest. They even mention that because so much liquid had been pulled out it caused problems with cooking. The missing step is to pat the steak dry. It needs to be dry when going in to the pan. I think the results are slightly skewed because of this - it was dry at the 0 minute mark and at the 40 minute mark but not at the in between marks. Keep in mind that you can wipe off seasonings when patting dry so this is still something to keep in mind.



As for your question - how long to leave it out? As Aaronaught said it doesn't really matter if it's salted or not. How long a steak can sit on the counter and not go bad will depend on the conditions and is more of a food-safety question unrelated to seasoning. You can, as the article mentions, place it in the fridge if you want to let it rest for a long time. Just remember to let it come back to room temperature before cooking for best results.



I'm not sure I really buy in to the importance of water reabsorption in how it relates to taste. The entire process of dry aging is designed to pull moisture out of the meat to give it a more concentrated beef flavor. Again, the article mentions that letting it rest this way for up to a day only results in an ~5% loss by weight, which pales in comparison to the 20%+ loss from cooking.



Now if you want to let it "rest" for a LONG time, like days or weeks you're talking more about a process like dry aging, in which case you'll want to start with a large piece of meat as the outside will need to be cut off as it will get rather dried out and not very appealing to eat. This involves more than just putting meat in the fridge though, so you probably don't want to go too far past 24 hours in the fridge.






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  • Kenji's experiments proved that the amount of time you can leave the steak in the fridge safely is <= nine days: seriouseats.com/2013/01/the-food-lab-dry-age-beef-at-home.html

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Thomas Keller, in Ad Hoc At Home, says twenty minutes from seasoning to pan. I see no reason to dispute this.






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    @Daniel, I usually admire your answers. However, this time I don't agree. Good chefs have been known to fall for kitchen myths. When Kenji from Serious eats gathers his data in his usual methodical way and presents them clearly, I see this as reason enough to dispute any "This is how we professional chefs do it" statements. When he takes the time to compare a steak salted for 20 minutes and a steak salted for 40 minutes and got clear results that 40 minutes is better, I believe him.

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  • I guess you haven't read Ad Hoc At Home. Keller delves into a lot of why they do what they do, and it's all backed up by extensive research in the kitchens at the Luandry, Per Se, and Ad Hoc.

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    No, haven't read it. Does he mention that he did experiments specifically with seasoning time? Because I have seen how renowned professors do their research, they focus on the questions for which they have time and interest, and for everything else rely on an authority (which is their case is peer-reviewed publications, in Keller's probably not). This is not a bad thing, and I would rely on somebody like Keller - until somebody publishes conflicting empirical data, like in this case.

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Once the steak has reached room temperature, about 20-30 minutes, it should be cooked. You can put the rub on the steak and refrigerate it for several hours, or overnight, but it should be rest 20-30 minutes before cooking. No longer than that.






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    The question specifies that they intend to let it rest for a minimum of 40 minutes, so anything shorter than that is unlikely to be useful.

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There"s a bunch of smartasses running this site who think their way is the only way. Before you dis people who know how to marinade for several days you need to find out what you're talking about.
Obviously you've never professionaly aged a deer by letting it hang until it is covered with mold. I guess you would call that dangerous too.






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    Please edit your answer to be more respectful of other users. Also, this question is about resting a steak, not aging deer, so I don't really understand what your answer had to do with it, could you please clarify?

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If you add salt to the steak, you need to cook it as soon as possible, because the salt will make the juices of the steak leak, and it will loose a lot of taste.






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    I believe he downvoted you because you simply stated what I had already presented in my question: "you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more."

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Nice article, I think it's for more than 2 hours. After that, it's contaminated by bacteria.






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  • Are you assuming the salted steak is left out at room temperature?

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I like to leave a steak out at room temperature for three to four days, marinated in wine, coke, garlic and spices of my choice. When I fry it melts like butter in my mouth. When I worked at the cold storage commission we were told that you should leave steaks out at room temp a few days before cooking. As long as it is properly covered and sealed and marinated. It tenderizes naturally by standing out at room temperature.






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    That is dangerous advice. I removed the all-caps from your message and downvoted. I also flagged it for removal, which may or may not actually result in the message being removed. Perhaps "room temperature" has a different meaning for you than for most of us? A steak, regardless of marinade or covering, cannot be safely left at room temperature for "days". If you mean a temperature lower than 60-70F (15-21C), please edit with the temperature you do mean.

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The one problem I see with the article is that they cook the steak "as is" after letting it rest. They even mention that because so much liquid had been pulled out it caused problems with cooking. The missing step is to pat the steak dry. It needs to be dry when going in to the pan. I think the results are slightly skewed because of this - it was dry at the 0 minute mark and at the 40 minute mark but not at the in between marks. Keep in mind that you can wipe off seasonings when patting dry so this is still something to keep in mind.



As for your question - how long to leave it out? As Aaronaught said it doesn't really matter if it's salted or not. How long a steak can sit on the counter and not go bad will depend on the conditions and is more of a food-safety question unrelated to seasoning. You can, as the article mentions, place it in the fridge if you want to let it rest for a long time. Just remember to let it come back to room temperature before cooking for best results.



I'm not sure I really buy in to the importance of water reabsorption in how it relates to taste. The entire process of dry aging is designed to pull moisture out of the meat to give it a more concentrated beef flavor. Again, the article mentions that letting it rest this way for up to a day only results in an ~5% loss by weight, which pales in comparison to the 20%+ loss from cooking.



Now if you want to let it "rest" for a LONG time, like days or weeks you're talking more about a process like dry aging, in which case you'll want to start with a large piece of meat as the outside will need to be cut off as it will get rather dried out and not very appealing to eat. This involves more than just putting meat in the fridge though, so you probably don't want to go too far past 24 hours in the fridge.






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  • Kenji's experiments proved that the amount of time you can leave the steak in the fridge safely is <= nine days: seriouseats.com/2013/01/the-food-lab-dry-age-beef-at-home.html

    – Yamikuronue
    Aug 15 '13 at 20:02















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The one problem I see with the article is that they cook the steak "as is" after letting it rest. They even mention that because so much liquid had been pulled out it caused problems with cooking. The missing step is to pat the steak dry. It needs to be dry when going in to the pan. I think the results are slightly skewed because of this - it was dry at the 0 minute mark and at the 40 minute mark but not at the in between marks. Keep in mind that you can wipe off seasonings when patting dry so this is still something to keep in mind.



As for your question - how long to leave it out? As Aaronaught said it doesn't really matter if it's salted or not. How long a steak can sit on the counter and not go bad will depend on the conditions and is more of a food-safety question unrelated to seasoning. You can, as the article mentions, place it in the fridge if you want to let it rest for a long time. Just remember to let it come back to room temperature before cooking for best results.



I'm not sure I really buy in to the importance of water reabsorption in how it relates to taste. The entire process of dry aging is designed to pull moisture out of the meat to give it a more concentrated beef flavor. Again, the article mentions that letting it rest this way for up to a day only results in an ~5% loss by weight, which pales in comparison to the 20%+ loss from cooking.



Now if you want to let it "rest" for a LONG time, like days or weeks you're talking more about a process like dry aging, in which case you'll want to start with a large piece of meat as the outside will need to be cut off as it will get rather dried out and not very appealing to eat. This involves more than just putting meat in the fridge though, so you probably don't want to go too far past 24 hours in the fridge.






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  • Kenji's experiments proved that the amount of time you can leave the steak in the fridge safely is <= nine days: seriouseats.com/2013/01/the-food-lab-dry-age-beef-at-home.html

    – Yamikuronue
    Aug 15 '13 at 20:02













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The one problem I see with the article is that they cook the steak "as is" after letting it rest. They even mention that because so much liquid had been pulled out it caused problems with cooking. The missing step is to pat the steak dry. It needs to be dry when going in to the pan. I think the results are slightly skewed because of this - it was dry at the 0 minute mark and at the 40 minute mark but not at the in between marks. Keep in mind that you can wipe off seasonings when patting dry so this is still something to keep in mind.



As for your question - how long to leave it out? As Aaronaught said it doesn't really matter if it's salted or not. How long a steak can sit on the counter and not go bad will depend on the conditions and is more of a food-safety question unrelated to seasoning. You can, as the article mentions, place it in the fridge if you want to let it rest for a long time. Just remember to let it come back to room temperature before cooking for best results.



I'm not sure I really buy in to the importance of water reabsorption in how it relates to taste. The entire process of dry aging is designed to pull moisture out of the meat to give it a more concentrated beef flavor. Again, the article mentions that letting it rest this way for up to a day only results in an ~5% loss by weight, which pales in comparison to the 20%+ loss from cooking.



Now if you want to let it "rest" for a LONG time, like days or weeks you're talking more about a process like dry aging, in which case you'll want to start with a large piece of meat as the outside will need to be cut off as it will get rather dried out and not very appealing to eat. This involves more than just putting meat in the fridge though, so you probably don't want to go too far past 24 hours in the fridge.






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The one problem I see with the article is that they cook the steak "as is" after letting it rest. They even mention that because so much liquid had been pulled out it caused problems with cooking. The missing step is to pat the steak dry. It needs to be dry when going in to the pan. I think the results are slightly skewed because of this - it was dry at the 0 minute mark and at the 40 minute mark but not at the in between marks. Keep in mind that you can wipe off seasonings when patting dry so this is still something to keep in mind.



As for your question - how long to leave it out? As Aaronaught said it doesn't really matter if it's salted or not. How long a steak can sit on the counter and not go bad will depend on the conditions and is more of a food-safety question unrelated to seasoning. You can, as the article mentions, place it in the fridge if you want to let it rest for a long time. Just remember to let it come back to room temperature before cooking for best results.



I'm not sure I really buy in to the importance of water reabsorption in how it relates to taste. The entire process of dry aging is designed to pull moisture out of the meat to give it a more concentrated beef flavor. Again, the article mentions that letting it rest this way for up to a day only results in an ~5% loss by weight, which pales in comparison to the 20%+ loss from cooking.



Now if you want to let it "rest" for a LONG time, like days or weeks you're talking more about a process like dry aging, in which case you'll want to start with a large piece of meat as the outside will need to be cut off as it will get rather dried out and not very appealing to eat. This involves more than just putting meat in the fridge though, so you probably don't want to go too far past 24 hours in the fridge.







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  • Kenji's experiments proved that the amount of time you can leave the steak in the fridge safely is <= nine days: seriouseats.com/2013/01/the-food-lab-dry-age-beef-at-home.html

    – Yamikuronue
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  • Kenji's experiments proved that the amount of time you can leave the steak in the fridge safely is <= nine days: seriouseats.com/2013/01/the-food-lab-dry-age-beef-at-home.html

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Kenji's experiments proved that the amount of time you can leave the steak in the fridge safely is <= nine days: seriouseats.com/2013/01/the-food-lab-dry-age-beef-at-home.html

– Yamikuronue
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Kenji's experiments proved that the amount of time you can leave the steak in the fridge safely is <= nine days: seriouseats.com/2013/01/the-food-lab-dry-age-beef-at-home.html

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Thomas Keller, in Ad Hoc At Home, says twenty minutes from seasoning to pan. I see no reason to dispute this.






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    @Daniel, I usually admire your answers. However, this time I don't agree. Good chefs have been known to fall for kitchen myths. When Kenji from Serious eats gathers his data in his usual methodical way and presents them clearly, I see this as reason enough to dispute any "This is how we professional chefs do it" statements. When he takes the time to compare a steak salted for 20 minutes and a steak salted for 40 minutes and got clear results that 40 minutes is better, I believe him.

    – rumtscho
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  • I guess you haven't read Ad Hoc At Home. Keller delves into a lot of why they do what they do, and it's all backed up by extensive research in the kitchens at the Luandry, Per Se, and Ad Hoc.

    – daniel
    Apr 12 '11 at 23:41






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    No, haven't read it. Does he mention that he did experiments specifically with seasoning time? Because I have seen how renowned professors do their research, they focus on the questions for which they have time and interest, and for everything else rely on an authority (which is their case is peer-reviewed publications, in Keller's probably not). This is not a bad thing, and I would rely on somebody like Keller - until somebody publishes conflicting empirical data, like in this case.

    – rumtscho
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Thomas Keller, in Ad Hoc At Home, says twenty minutes from seasoning to pan. I see no reason to dispute this.






share|improve this answer


















  • 5





    @Daniel, I usually admire your answers. However, this time I don't agree. Good chefs have been known to fall for kitchen myths. When Kenji from Serious eats gathers his data in his usual methodical way and presents them clearly, I see this as reason enough to dispute any "This is how we professional chefs do it" statements. When he takes the time to compare a steak salted for 20 minutes and a steak salted for 40 minutes and got clear results that 40 minutes is better, I believe him.

    – rumtscho
    Apr 12 '11 at 21:47











  • I guess you haven't read Ad Hoc At Home. Keller delves into a lot of why they do what they do, and it's all backed up by extensive research in the kitchens at the Luandry, Per Se, and Ad Hoc.

    – daniel
    Apr 12 '11 at 23:41






  • 3





    No, haven't read it. Does he mention that he did experiments specifically with seasoning time? Because I have seen how renowned professors do their research, they focus on the questions for which they have time and interest, and for everything else rely on an authority (which is their case is peer-reviewed publications, in Keller's probably not). This is not a bad thing, and I would rely on somebody like Keller - until somebody publishes conflicting empirical data, like in this case.

    – rumtscho
    Apr 13 '11 at 10:08














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Thomas Keller, in Ad Hoc At Home, says twenty minutes from seasoning to pan. I see no reason to dispute this.






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Thomas Keller, in Ad Hoc At Home, says twenty minutes from seasoning to pan. I see no reason to dispute this.







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  • 5





    @Daniel, I usually admire your answers. However, this time I don't agree. Good chefs have been known to fall for kitchen myths. When Kenji from Serious eats gathers his data in his usual methodical way and presents them clearly, I see this as reason enough to dispute any "This is how we professional chefs do it" statements. When he takes the time to compare a steak salted for 20 minutes and a steak salted for 40 minutes and got clear results that 40 minutes is better, I believe him.

    – rumtscho
    Apr 12 '11 at 21:47











  • I guess you haven't read Ad Hoc At Home. Keller delves into a lot of why they do what they do, and it's all backed up by extensive research in the kitchens at the Luandry, Per Se, and Ad Hoc.

    – daniel
    Apr 12 '11 at 23:41






  • 3





    No, haven't read it. Does he mention that he did experiments specifically with seasoning time? Because I have seen how renowned professors do their research, they focus on the questions for which they have time and interest, and for everything else rely on an authority (which is their case is peer-reviewed publications, in Keller's probably not). This is not a bad thing, and I would rely on somebody like Keller - until somebody publishes conflicting empirical data, like in this case.

    – rumtscho
    Apr 13 '11 at 10:08













  • 5





    @Daniel, I usually admire your answers. However, this time I don't agree. Good chefs have been known to fall for kitchen myths. When Kenji from Serious eats gathers his data in his usual methodical way and presents them clearly, I see this as reason enough to dispute any "This is how we professional chefs do it" statements. When he takes the time to compare a steak salted for 20 minutes and a steak salted for 40 minutes and got clear results that 40 minutes is better, I believe him.

    – rumtscho
    Apr 12 '11 at 21:47











  • I guess you haven't read Ad Hoc At Home. Keller delves into a lot of why they do what they do, and it's all backed up by extensive research in the kitchens at the Luandry, Per Se, and Ad Hoc.

    – daniel
    Apr 12 '11 at 23:41






  • 3





    No, haven't read it. Does he mention that he did experiments specifically with seasoning time? Because I have seen how renowned professors do their research, they focus on the questions for which they have time and interest, and for everything else rely on an authority (which is their case is peer-reviewed publications, in Keller's probably not). This is not a bad thing, and I would rely on somebody like Keller - until somebody publishes conflicting empirical data, like in this case.

    – rumtscho
    Apr 13 '11 at 10:08








5




5





@Daniel, I usually admire your answers. However, this time I don't agree. Good chefs have been known to fall for kitchen myths. When Kenji from Serious eats gathers his data in his usual methodical way and presents them clearly, I see this as reason enough to dispute any "This is how we professional chefs do it" statements. When he takes the time to compare a steak salted for 20 minutes and a steak salted for 40 minutes and got clear results that 40 minutes is better, I believe him.

– rumtscho
Apr 12 '11 at 21:47





@Daniel, I usually admire your answers. However, this time I don't agree. Good chefs have been known to fall for kitchen myths. When Kenji from Serious eats gathers his data in his usual methodical way and presents them clearly, I see this as reason enough to dispute any "This is how we professional chefs do it" statements. When he takes the time to compare a steak salted for 20 minutes and a steak salted for 40 minutes and got clear results that 40 minutes is better, I believe him.

– rumtscho
Apr 12 '11 at 21:47













I guess you haven't read Ad Hoc At Home. Keller delves into a lot of why they do what they do, and it's all backed up by extensive research in the kitchens at the Luandry, Per Se, and Ad Hoc.

– daniel
Apr 12 '11 at 23:41





I guess you haven't read Ad Hoc At Home. Keller delves into a lot of why they do what they do, and it's all backed up by extensive research in the kitchens at the Luandry, Per Se, and Ad Hoc.

– daniel
Apr 12 '11 at 23:41




3




3





No, haven't read it. Does he mention that he did experiments specifically with seasoning time? Because I have seen how renowned professors do their research, they focus on the questions for which they have time and interest, and for everything else rely on an authority (which is their case is peer-reviewed publications, in Keller's probably not). This is not a bad thing, and I would rely on somebody like Keller - until somebody publishes conflicting empirical data, like in this case.

– rumtscho
Apr 13 '11 at 10:08






No, haven't read it. Does he mention that he did experiments specifically with seasoning time? Because I have seen how renowned professors do their research, they focus on the questions for which they have time and interest, and for everything else rely on an authority (which is their case is peer-reviewed publications, in Keller's probably not). This is not a bad thing, and I would rely on somebody like Keller - until somebody publishes conflicting empirical data, like in this case.

– rumtscho
Apr 13 '11 at 10:08












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Once the steak has reached room temperature, about 20-30 minutes, it should be cooked. You can put the rub on the steak and refrigerate it for several hours, or overnight, but it should be rest 20-30 minutes before cooking. No longer than that.






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    The question specifies that they intend to let it rest for a minimum of 40 minutes, so anything shorter than that is unlikely to be useful.

    – Yamikuronue
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Once the steak has reached room temperature, about 20-30 minutes, it should be cooked. You can put the rub on the steak and refrigerate it for several hours, or overnight, but it should be rest 20-30 minutes before cooking. No longer than that.






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    The question specifies that they intend to let it rest for a minimum of 40 minutes, so anything shorter than that is unlikely to be useful.

    – Yamikuronue
    Aug 15 '13 at 20:20













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Once the steak has reached room temperature, about 20-30 minutes, it should be cooked. You can put the rub on the steak and refrigerate it for several hours, or overnight, but it should be rest 20-30 minutes before cooking. No longer than that.






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Once the steak has reached room temperature, about 20-30 minutes, it should be cooked. You can put the rub on the steak and refrigerate it for several hours, or overnight, but it should be rest 20-30 minutes before cooking. No longer than that.







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    The question specifies that they intend to let it rest for a minimum of 40 minutes, so anything shorter than that is unlikely to be useful.

    – Yamikuronue
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    The question specifies that they intend to let it rest for a minimum of 40 minutes, so anything shorter than that is unlikely to be useful.

    – Yamikuronue
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The question specifies that they intend to let it rest for a minimum of 40 minutes, so anything shorter than that is unlikely to be useful.

– Yamikuronue
Aug 15 '13 at 20:20





The question specifies that they intend to let it rest for a minimum of 40 minutes, so anything shorter than that is unlikely to be useful.

– Yamikuronue
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There"s a bunch of smartasses running this site who think their way is the only way. Before you dis people who know how to marinade for several days you need to find out what you're talking about.
Obviously you've never professionaly aged a deer by letting it hang until it is covered with mold. I guess you would call that dangerous too.






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    Please edit your answer to be more respectful of other users. Also, this question is about resting a steak, not aging deer, so I don't really understand what your answer had to do with it, could you please clarify?

    – Erica
    26 mins ago
















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There"s a bunch of smartasses running this site who think their way is the only way. Before you dis people who know how to marinade for several days you need to find out what you're talking about.
Obviously you've never professionaly aged a deer by letting it hang until it is covered with mold. I guess you would call that dangerous too.






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    Please edit your answer to be more respectful of other users. Also, this question is about resting a steak, not aging deer, so I don't really understand what your answer had to do with it, could you please clarify?

    – Erica
    26 mins ago














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There"s a bunch of smartasses running this site who think their way is the only way. Before you dis people who know how to marinade for several days you need to find out what you're talking about.
Obviously you've never professionaly aged a deer by letting it hang until it is covered with mold. I guess you would call that dangerous too.






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There"s a bunch of smartasses running this site who think their way is the only way. Before you dis people who know how to marinade for several days you need to find out what you're talking about.
Obviously you've never professionaly aged a deer by letting it hang until it is covered with mold. I guess you would call that dangerous too.







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    Please edit your answer to be more respectful of other users. Also, this question is about resting a steak, not aging deer, so I don't really understand what your answer had to do with it, could you please clarify?

    – Erica
    26 mins ago













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    Please edit your answer to be more respectful of other users. Also, this question is about resting a steak, not aging deer, so I don't really understand what your answer had to do with it, could you please clarify?

    – Erica
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Please edit your answer to be more respectful of other users. Also, this question is about resting a steak, not aging deer, so I don't really understand what your answer had to do with it, could you please clarify?

– Erica
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Please edit your answer to be more respectful of other users. Also, this question is about resting a steak, not aging deer, so I don't really understand what your answer had to do with it, could you please clarify?

– Erica
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If you add salt to the steak, you need to cook it as soon as possible, because the salt will make the juices of the steak leak, and it will loose a lot of taste.






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  • Could you comment your downvote, please?

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    I believe he downvoted you because you simply stated what I had already presented in my question: "you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more."

    – hizki
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If you add salt to the steak, you need to cook it as soon as possible, because the salt will make the juices of the steak leak, and it will loose a lot of taste.






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  • Could you comment your downvote, please?

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    I believe he downvoted you because you simply stated what I had already presented in my question: "you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more."

    – hizki
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If you add salt to the steak, you need to cook it as soon as possible, because the salt will make the juices of the steak leak, and it will loose a lot of taste.






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If you add salt to the steak, you need to cook it as soon as possible, because the salt will make the juices of the steak leak, and it will loose a lot of taste.







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  • Could you comment your downvote, please?

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    I believe he downvoted you because you simply stated what I had already presented in my question: "you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more."

    – hizki
    May 1 '11 at 19:46

















  • Could you comment your downvote, please?

    – Alexis Dufrenoy
    Apr 28 '11 at 14:23






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    I believe he downvoted you because you simply stated what I had already presented in my question: "you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more."

    – hizki
    May 1 '11 at 19:46
















Could you comment your downvote, please?

– Alexis Dufrenoy
Apr 28 '11 at 14:23





Could you comment your downvote, please?

– Alexis Dufrenoy
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I believe he downvoted you because you simply stated what I had already presented in my question: "you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more."

– hizki
May 1 '11 at 19:46





I believe he downvoted you because you simply stated what I had already presented in my question: "you either need to cook it immediately after salting, or after 40 minutes and more."

– hizki
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Nice article, I think it's for more than 2 hours. After that, it's contaminated by bacteria.






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  • Are you assuming the salted steak is left out at room temperature?

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Nice article, I think it's for more than 2 hours. After that, it's contaminated by bacteria.






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Nice article, I think it's for more than 2 hours. After that, it's contaminated by bacteria.






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Nice article, I think it's for more than 2 hours. After that, it's contaminated by bacteria.







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  • Are you assuming the salted steak is left out at room temperature?

    – SAJ14SAJ
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  • Really bad/wrong answers are still answers in my mind, so I've declined to delete this. (It's possible another mod will think differently.)

    – Cascabel
    Mar 21 '13 at 15:12

















  • Are you assuming the salted steak is left out at room temperature?

    – SAJ14SAJ
    Mar 21 '13 at 2:21











  • Really bad/wrong answers are still answers in my mind, so I've declined to delete this. (It's possible another mod will think differently.)

    – Cascabel
    Mar 21 '13 at 15:12
















Are you assuming the salted steak is left out at room temperature?

– SAJ14SAJ
Mar 21 '13 at 2:21





Are you assuming the salted steak is left out at room temperature?

– SAJ14SAJ
Mar 21 '13 at 2:21













Really bad/wrong answers are still answers in my mind, so I've declined to delete this. (It's possible another mod will think differently.)

– Cascabel
Mar 21 '13 at 15:12





Really bad/wrong answers are still answers in my mind, so I've declined to delete this. (It's possible another mod will think differently.)

– Cascabel
Mar 21 '13 at 15:12











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I like to leave a steak out at room temperature for three to four days, marinated in wine, coke, garlic and spices of my choice. When I fry it melts like butter in my mouth. When I worked at the cold storage commission we were told that you should leave steaks out at room temp a few days before cooking. As long as it is properly covered and sealed and marinated. It tenderizes naturally by standing out at room temperature.






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    That is dangerous advice. I removed the all-caps from your message and downvoted. I also flagged it for removal, which may or may not actually result in the message being removed. Perhaps "room temperature" has a different meaning for you than for most of us? A steak, regardless of marinade or covering, cannot be safely left at room temperature for "days". If you mean a temperature lower than 60-70F (15-21C), please edit with the temperature you do mean.

    – Jolenealaska
    May 31 '14 at 22:41







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    Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!

    – Preston
    Jun 1 '14 at 21:02















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I like to leave a steak out at room temperature for three to four days, marinated in wine, coke, garlic and spices of my choice. When I fry it melts like butter in my mouth. When I worked at the cold storage commission we were told that you should leave steaks out at room temp a few days before cooking. As long as it is properly covered and sealed and marinated. It tenderizes naturally by standing out at room temperature.






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  • 3





    That is dangerous advice. I removed the all-caps from your message and downvoted. I also flagged it for removal, which may or may not actually result in the message being removed. Perhaps "room temperature" has a different meaning for you than for most of us? A steak, regardless of marinade or covering, cannot be safely left at room temperature for "days". If you mean a temperature lower than 60-70F (15-21C), please edit with the temperature you do mean.

    – Jolenealaska
    May 31 '14 at 22:41







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    Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!

    – Preston
    Jun 1 '14 at 21:02













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I like to leave a steak out at room temperature for three to four days, marinated in wine, coke, garlic and spices of my choice. When I fry it melts like butter in my mouth. When I worked at the cold storage commission we were told that you should leave steaks out at room temp a few days before cooking. As long as it is properly covered and sealed and marinated. It tenderizes naturally by standing out at room temperature.






share|improve this answer















I like to leave a steak out at room temperature for three to four days, marinated in wine, coke, garlic and spices of my choice. When I fry it melts like butter in my mouth. When I worked at the cold storage commission we were told that you should leave steaks out at room temp a few days before cooking. As long as it is properly covered and sealed and marinated. It tenderizes naturally by standing out at room temperature.







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answered May 31 '14 at 16:34









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    That is dangerous advice. I removed the all-caps from your message and downvoted. I also flagged it for removal, which may or may not actually result in the message being removed. Perhaps "room temperature" has a different meaning for you than for most of us? A steak, regardless of marinade or covering, cannot be safely left at room temperature for "days". If you mean a temperature lower than 60-70F (15-21C), please edit with the temperature you do mean.

    – Jolenealaska
    May 31 '14 at 22:41







  • 1





    Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!

    – Preston
    Jun 1 '14 at 21:02












  • 3





    That is dangerous advice. I removed the all-caps from your message and downvoted. I also flagged it for removal, which may or may not actually result in the message being removed. Perhaps "room temperature" has a different meaning for you than for most of us? A steak, regardless of marinade or covering, cannot be safely left at room temperature for "days". If you mean a temperature lower than 60-70F (15-21C), please edit with the temperature you do mean.

    – Jolenealaska
    May 31 '14 at 22:41







  • 1





    Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!

    – Preston
    Jun 1 '14 at 21:02







3




3





That is dangerous advice. I removed the all-caps from your message and downvoted. I also flagged it for removal, which may or may not actually result in the message being removed. Perhaps "room temperature" has a different meaning for you than for most of us? A steak, regardless of marinade or covering, cannot be safely left at room temperature for "days". If you mean a temperature lower than 60-70F (15-21C), please edit with the temperature you do mean.

– Jolenealaska
May 31 '14 at 22:41






That is dangerous advice. I removed the all-caps from your message and downvoted. I also flagged it for removal, which may or may not actually result in the message being removed. Perhaps "room temperature" has a different meaning for you than for most of us? A steak, regardless of marinade or covering, cannot be safely left at room temperature for "days". If you mean a temperature lower than 60-70F (15-21C), please edit with the temperature you do mean.

– Jolenealaska
May 31 '14 at 22:41





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Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!

– Preston
Jun 1 '14 at 21:02





Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!

– Preston
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