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Interfacing a button to MCU (and PC) with 50m long cable
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowUsing optoisolator and triac with mcu to switch light on/off--need low power alternativeSimple light bulb operated by button and optoisolator triacDesigning an ethernet isolatorProblems with high-side current sensing with 12V comparator and logicReading ECU tacho signal with PIC MCU - noise issuesControlling 2 PSUs with an mCUInterfacing retriggerable oneshot with optocouplerHow to protect MCU IO and 5V from shorted +12VHow to isolate the car ground with MCU ground?Can you and/or why should you not replace optocouplers with transistors when dealing with slightly different voltage
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I am designing a board that will be plugged into a computer and will read the status of a button ~50m away in an office environment. (its actually a lot closer but the cable is long)
I think its a good idea to galvanically isolate the button wiring from the computer, since the PC will be grounded. I don't want any faults on the wiring to be able to damage the computer.
I'm assuming < 100Ohm resistance for the cable, and while a simple series resistor would work, I think having a constant current sink for the Opto LED is safer (i.e. if the cable has to be a lot longer, or shorter, etc).
Is this a sensible approach to it? Cost/space is not much an issue so I could add some protection/filtering circuitry, but I'm not entirely sure where/how to do it, so I'd be happy to hear some suggestions.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
opto-isolator isolation circuit-protection
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I am designing a board that will be plugged into a computer and will read the status of a button ~50m away in an office environment. (its actually a lot closer but the cable is long)
I think its a good idea to galvanically isolate the button wiring from the computer, since the PC will be grounded. I don't want any faults on the wiring to be able to damage the computer.
I'm assuming < 100Ohm resistance for the cable, and while a simple series resistor would work, I think having a constant current sink for the Opto LED is safer (i.e. if the cable has to be a lot longer, or shorter, etc).
Is this a sensible approach to it? Cost/space is not much an issue so I could add some protection/filtering circuitry, but I'm not entirely sure where/how to do it, so I'd be happy to hear some suggestions.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
opto-isolator isolation circuit-protection
asked 3 hours ago
Wesley LeeWesley Lee
5,77652241
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add a comment |
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I am designing a board that will be plugged into a computer and will read the status of a button ~50m away in an office environment. (its actually a lot closer but the cable is long)
I think its a good idea to galvanically isolate the button wiring from the computer, since the PC will be grounded. I don't want any faults on the wiring to be able to damage the computer.
I'm assuming < 100Ohm resistance for the cable, and while a simple series resistor would work, I think having a constant current sink for the Opto LED is safer (i.e. if the cable has to be a lot longer, or shorter, etc).
Is this a sensible approach to it? Cost/space is not much an issue so I could add some protection/filtering circuitry, but I'm not entirely sure where/how to do it, so I'd be happy to hear some suggestions.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
opto-isolator isolation circuit-protection
asked 3 hours ago
Wesley LeeWesley Lee
5,77652241
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I am designing a board that will be plugged into a computer and will read the status of a button ~50m away in an office environment. (its actually a lot closer but the cable is long)
I think its a good idea to galvanically isolate the button wiring from the computer, since the PC will be grounded. I don't want any faults on the wiring to be able to damage the computer.
I'm assuming < 100Ohm resistance for the cable, and while a simple series resistor would work, I think having a constant current sink for the Opto LED is safer (i.e. if the cable has to be a lot longer, or shorter, etc).
Is this a sensible approach to it? Cost/space is not much an issue so I could add some protection/filtering circuitry, but I'm not entirely sure where/how to do it, so I'd be happy to hear some suggestions.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
opto-isolator isolation circuit-protection
opto-isolator isolation circuit-protection
asked 3 hours ago
Wesley LeeWesley Lee
5,77652241
asked 3 hours ago
Wesley LeeWesley Lee
5,77652241
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Wesley LeeWesley Lee
5,77652241
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That looks fine to me, but you may wish to put a diode across the optoisolator LED in case you get some ringing in the choke or wiring.
The two transistor current sink might be slightly better and maybe 100K is a bit on the high side for the resistor. Eg,
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
You could also flip the current limiter and put it on the other rail. Right now the opto sees a lot of common mode voltage change when the switch is pressed. Grounding the photodiode would reduce that because of the coupling capacitance of the DC-DC.
answered 3 hours ago
Spehro PefhanySpehro Pefhany
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And less different parts to place with 2 transistors instead of diodes. (Oh nvm now there is a diode back again :P )
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3 hours ago
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Looks like too much circuitry, which leads to more cost, complexity, failures. There is nothing in the question that indicates anything more than series resistors are required. Adding components, like isolated switching power supplies, adds components with much higher failure rates than a few resistors and diodes. The circuit below is well protected, simple, reliable, and goes high/low when switch is closed/open. There would need to be a specific, compelling reason to add all that circuitry in the question.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
answered 3 hours ago
scorpdaddyscorpdaddy
50127
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Fair points, but I am less worried about the board itself failing than it causing some damage to the computer due to the long cable being connected to say, AC mains, by accident etc. I guess high voltage resistors and some fuses would solve that. This is a one off project so cost isn't an issue. I do feel quite relieved that this approach would be enough in most cases though.
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– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
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You may forgo the fuses, as D1+D2 clamp circuit voltages to acceptable levels.
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– scorpdaddy
2 hours ago
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A simpler way would be to use shielded cable (to shunt noise and ESD away), then protect the MCU inputs with diodes to Vcc and ground.
The resistance of the cable is most likely to be between 1 or 10 Ohms (as long as the AWG is more than 30 gauge)
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That looks fine to me, but you may wish to put a diode across the optoisolator LED in case you get some ringing in the choke or wiring.
The two transistor current sink might be slightly better and maybe 100K is a bit on the high side for the resistor. Eg,
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
You could also flip the current limiter and put it on the other rail. Right now the opto sees a lot of common mode voltage change when the switch is pressed. Grounding the photodiode would reduce that because of the coupling capacitance of the DC-DC.
answered 3 hours ago
Spehro PefhanySpehro Pefhany
211k5162426
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And less different parts to place with 2 transistors instead of diodes. (Oh nvm now there is a diode back again :P )
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
That looks fine to me, but you may wish to put a diode across the optoisolator LED in case you get some ringing in the choke or wiring.
The two transistor current sink might be slightly better and maybe 100K is a bit on the high side for the resistor. Eg,
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
You could also flip the current limiter and put it on the other rail. Right now the opto sees a lot of common mode voltage change when the switch is pressed. Grounding the photodiode would reduce that because of the coupling capacitance of the DC-DC.
answered 3 hours ago
Spehro PefhanySpehro Pefhany
211k5162426
$endgroup$
1
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And less different parts to place with 2 transistors instead of diodes. (Oh nvm now there is a diode back again :P )
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
That looks fine to me, but you may wish to put a diode across the optoisolator LED in case you get some ringing in the choke or wiring.
The two transistor current sink might be slightly better and maybe 100K is a bit on the high side for the resistor. Eg,
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
You could also flip the current limiter and put it on the other rail. Right now the opto sees a lot of common mode voltage change when the switch is pressed. Grounding the photodiode would reduce that because of the coupling capacitance of the DC-DC.
answered 3 hours ago
Spehro PefhanySpehro Pefhany
211k5162426
$endgroup$
That looks fine to me, but you may wish to put a diode across the optoisolator LED in case you get some ringing in the choke or wiring.
The two transistor current sink might be slightly better and maybe 100K is a bit on the high side for the resistor. Eg,
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
You could also flip the current limiter and put it on the other rail. Right now the opto sees a lot of common mode voltage change when the switch is pressed. Grounding the photodiode would reduce that because of the coupling capacitance of the DC-DC.
answered 3 hours ago
Spehro PefhanySpehro Pefhany
211k5162426
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answered 3 hours ago
Spehro PefhanySpehro Pefhany
211k5162426
answered 3 hours ago
Spehro PefhanySpehro Pefhany
211k5162426
answered 3 hours ago
Spehro PefhanySpehro Pefhany
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And less different parts to place with 2 transistors instead of diodes. (Oh nvm now there is a diode back again :P )
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– Wesley Lee
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And less different parts to place with 2 transistors instead of diodes. (Oh nvm now there is a diode back again :P )
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
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And less different parts to place with 2 transistors instead of diodes. (Oh nvm now there is a diode back again :P )
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
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And less different parts to place with 2 transistors instead of diodes. (Oh nvm now there is a diode back again :P )
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
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Looks like too much circuitry, which leads to more cost, complexity, failures. There is nothing in the question that indicates anything more than series resistors are required. Adding components, like isolated switching power supplies, adds components with much higher failure rates than a few resistors and diodes. The circuit below is well protected, simple, reliable, and goes high/low when switch is closed/open. There would need to be a specific, compelling reason to add all that circuitry in the question.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
answered 3 hours ago
scorpdaddyscorpdaddy
50127
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Fair points, but I am less worried about the board itself failing than it causing some damage to the computer due to the long cable being connected to say, AC mains, by accident etc. I guess high voltage resistors and some fuses would solve that. This is a one off project so cost isn't an issue. I do feel quite relieved that this approach would be enough in most cases though.
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
You may forgo the fuses, as D1+D2 clamp circuit voltages to acceptable levels.
$endgroup$
– scorpdaddy
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Looks like too much circuitry, which leads to more cost, complexity, failures. There is nothing in the question that indicates anything more than series resistors are required. Adding components, like isolated switching power supplies, adds components with much higher failure rates than a few resistors and diodes. The circuit below is well protected, simple, reliable, and goes high/low when switch is closed/open. There would need to be a specific, compelling reason to add all that circuitry in the question.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
answered 3 hours ago
scorpdaddyscorpdaddy
50127
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Fair points, but I am less worried about the board itself failing than it causing some damage to the computer due to the long cable being connected to say, AC mains, by accident etc. I guess high voltage resistors and some fuses would solve that. This is a one off project so cost isn't an issue. I do feel quite relieved that this approach would be enough in most cases though.
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
You may forgo the fuses, as D1+D2 clamp circuit voltages to acceptable levels.
$endgroup$
– scorpdaddy
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Looks like too much circuitry, which leads to more cost, complexity, failures. There is nothing in the question that indicates anything more than series resistors are required. Adding components, like isolated switching power supplies, adds components with much higher failure rates than a few resistors and diodes. The circuit below is well protected, simple, reliable, and goes high/low when switch is closed/open. There would need to be a specific, compelling reason to add all that circuitry in the question.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
answered 3 hours ago
scorpdaddyscorpdaddy
50127
$endgroup$
Looks like too much circuitry, which leads to more cost, complexity, failures. There is nothing in the question that indicates anything more than series resistors are required. Adding components, like isolated switching power supplies, adds components with much higher failure rates than a few resistors and diodes. The circuit below is well protected, simple, reliable, and goes high/low when switch is closed/open. There would need to be a specific, compelling reason to add all that circuitry in the question.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
answered 3 hours ago
scorpdaddyscorpdaddy
50127
answered 3 hours ago
scorpdaddyscorpdaddy
50127
answered 3 hours ago
scorpdaddyscorpdaddy
50127
answered 3 hours ago
scorpdaddyscorpdaddy
50127
50127
$begingroup$
Fair points, but I am less worried about the board itself failing than it causing some damage to the computer due to the long cable being connected to say, AC mains, by accident etc. I guess high voltage resistors and some fuses would solve that. This is a one off project so cost isn't an issue. I do feel quite relieved that this approach would be enough in most cases though.
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
You may forgo the fuses, as D1+D2 clamp circuit voltages to acceptable levels.
$endgroup$
– scorpdaddy
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Fair points, but I am less worried about the board itself failing than it causing some damage to the computer due to the long cable being connected to say, AC mains, by accident etc. I guess high voltage resistors and some fuses would solve that. This is a one off project so cost isn't an issue. I do feel quite relieved that this approach would be enough in most cases though.
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
You may forgo the fuses, as D1+D2 clamp circuit voltages to acceptable levels.
$endgroup$
– scorpdaddy
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
Fair points, but I am less worried about the board itself failing than it causing some damage to the computer due to the long cable being connected to say, AC mains, by accident etc. I guess high voltage resistors and some fuses would solve that. This is a one off project so cost isn't an issue. I do feel quite relieved that this approach would be enough in most cases though.
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Fair points, but I am less worried about the board itself failing than it causing some damage to the computer due to the long cable being connected to say, AC mains, by accident etc. I guess high voltage resistors and some fuses would solve that. This is a one off project so cost isn't an issue. I do feel quite relieved that this approach would be enough in most cases though.
$endgroup$
– Wesley Lee
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
You may forgo the fuses, as D1+D2 clamp circuit voltages to acceptable levels.
$endgroup$
– scorpdaddy
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
You may forgo the fuses, as D1+D2 clamp circuit voltages to acceptable levels.
$endgroup$
– scorpdaddy
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
A simpler way would be to use shielded cable (to shunt noise and ESD away), then protect the MCU inputs with diodes to Vcc and ground.
The resistance of the cable is most likely to be between 1 or 10 Ohms (as long as the AWG is more than 30 gauge)
answered 1 hour ago
laptop2dlaptop2d
27k123484
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add a comment |
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A simpler way would be to use shielded cable (to shunt noise and ESD away), then protect the MCU inputs with diodes to Vcc and ground.
The resistance of the cable is most likely to be between 1 or 10 Ohms (as long as the AWG is more than 30 gauge)
answered 1 hour ago
laptop2dlaptop2d
27k123484
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
A simpler way would be to use shielded cable (to shunt noise and ESD away), then protect the MCU inputs with diodes to Vcc and ground.
The resistance of the cable is most likely to be between 1 or 10 Ohms (as long as the AWG is more than 30 gauge)
answered 1 hour ago
laptop2dlaptop2d
27k123484
$endgroup$
A simpler way would be to use shielded cable (to shunt noise and ESD away), then protect the MCU inputs with diodes to Vcc and ground.
The resistance of the cable is most likely to be between 1 or 10 Ohms (as long as the AWG is more than 30 gauge)
answered 1 hour ago
laptop2dlaptop2d
27k123484
answered 1 hour ago
laptop2dlaptop2d
27k123484
answered 1 hour ago
laptop2dlaptop2d
27k123484
answered 1 hour ago
laptop2dlaptop2d
27k123484
27k123484
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