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Why do distances seem to matter in the Foundation world?



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I am reading again the Asimov's Foundation series and on multiple occasions the Empire's decay is mentioned and that it is starting from the most distant systems (in the Outer Worlds).



Looking in current today's world, distance is paramount to maintain control because it takes quite some time to deploy troops and equipment. However Foundation's world has the jump drive (faster-than-light travelling) so travelling very long distances should not be an issue or am I missing something?



Theoretically, distance should not matter unless jumps are somehow limited distance-wise.



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    I am reading again the Asimov's Foundation series and on multiple occasions the Empire's decay is mentioned and that it is starting from the most distant systems (in the Outer Worlds).



    Looking in current today's world, distance is paramount to maintain control because it takes quite some time to deploy troops and equipment. However Foundation's world has the jump drive (faster-than-light travelling) so travelling very long distances should not be an issue or am I missing something?



    Theoretically, distance should not matter unless jumps are somehow limited distance-wise.



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      I am reading again the Asimov's Foundation series and on multiple occasions the Empire's decay is mentioned and that it is starting from the most distant systems (in the Outer Worlds).



      Looking in current today's world, distance is paramount to maintain control because it takes quite some time to deploy troops and equipment. However Foundation's world has the jump drive (faster-than-light travelling) so travelling very long distances should not be an issue or am I missing something?



      Theoretically, distance should not matter unless jumps are somehow limited distance-wise.



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      I am reading again the Asimov's Foundation series and on multiple occasions the Empire's decay is mentioned and that it is starting from the most distant systems (in the Outer Worlds).



      Looking in current today's world, distance is paramount to maintain control because it takes quite some time to deploy troops and equipment. However Foundation's world has the jump drive (faster-than-light travelling) so travelling very long distances should not be an issue or am I missing something?



      Theoretically, distance should not matter unless jumps are somehow limited distance-wise.



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          When describing Trevize's ship capabilities and performance in "Foundation's Edge", he is awestruck at the way the ship can chain jumps with computation time close to zero and deviation from target coordinates also nelligible, thus pointing to should-be normal, expected behaviour of a ship in-universe.



          • End point of the Jump needs to be accurately calculated in advance. Upon emergence in normal space, actual end point of emergence needs to be validated in the assumption a significant deviation from expected point has happened. This is easy but not instantaneous.

          • The longer the Jump, the bigger the deviation. I don't remember energy constraints been part of a Jump concerns, but implication is strong if you try to single Jump from Trantor to Terminus you might well end up half-way to Andromeda (exagerated for laughs).

          • The actual point in space where the ship is after the Jump needs to be used as input to re-calculate again the next jump in the series. I kind of rmember this was expected to be easy, but in the hours range.

          So in short, a hyperspace trip is a pre-calculated set of jumps which tries to reach a perfect compromise between distance in each jump and minimizing emergence errors, but after each of the jumps the remaining jumps need to be recalculated again with actual coordinates.






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          • +1. This makes perfect sense + the Empire has begin falling some time before Trevize's journey and I assume the technology was less advanced, thus making even harder to move armies across the Galaxy.

            – Alexei
            4 hours ago






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            It is mentioned several times that trips can take weeks if not months to complete.

            – JRE
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            History repeats itself: the Empire in this regard resembles the Roman Empire in that troops can take weeks or months to traverse it, hence it's non-trivial to secure the borders.

            – Rebel-Scum
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            @Rebel-Scum that resemblance was not an accident.

            – Daniel Roseman
            1 hour ago











          • @DanielRoseman Indeed, if I remember well Asimov stated at some moment one of the main sources of inspiration for the original trilogy was Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

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          When describing Trevize's ship capabilities and performance in "Foundation's Edge", he is awestruck at the way the ship can chain jumps with computation time close to zero and deviation from target coordinates also nelligible, thus pointing to should-be normal, expected behaviour of a ship in-universe.



          • End point of the Jump needs to be accurately calculated in advance. Upon emergence in normal space, actual end point of emergence needs to be validated in the assumption a significant deviation from expected point has happened. This is easy but not instantaneous.

          • The longer the Jump, the bigger the deviation. I don't remember energy constraints been part of a Jump concerns, but implication is strong if you try to single Jump from Trantor to Terminus you might well end up half-way to Andromeda (exagerated for laughs).

          • The actual point in space where the ship is after the Jump needs to be used as input to re-calculate again the next jump in the series. I kind of rmember this was expected to be easy, but in the hours range.

          So in short, a hyperspace trip is a pre-calculated set of jumps which tries to reach a perfect compromise between distance in each jump and minimizing emergence errors, but after each of the jumps the remaining jumps need to be recalculated again with actual coordinates.






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          • +1. This makes perfect sense + the Empire has begin falling some time before Trevize's journey and I assume the technology was less advanced, thus making even harder to move armies across the Galaxy.

            – Alexei
            4 hours ago






          • 3





            It is mentioned several times that trips can take weeks if not months to complete.

            – JRE
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            History repeats itself: the Empire in this regard resembles the Roman Empire in that troops can take weeks or months to traverse it, hence it's non-trivial to secure the borders.

            – Rebel-Scum
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            @Rebel-Scum that resemblance was not an accident.

            – Daniel Roseman
            1 hour ago











          • @DanielRoseman Indeed, if I remember well Asimov stated at some moment one of the main sources of inspiration for the original trilogy was Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

            – Seretba
            13 mins ago















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          When describing Trevize's ship capabilities and performance in "Foundation's Edge", he is awestruck at the way the ship can chain jumps with computation time close to zero and deviation from target coordinates also nelligible, thus pointing to should-be normal, expected behaviour of a ship in-universe.



          • End point of the Jump needs to be accurately calculated in advance. Upon emergence in normal space, actual end point of emergence needs to be validated in the assumption a significant deviation from expected point has happened. This is easy but not instantaneous.

          • The longer the Jump, the bigger the deviation. I don't remember energy constraints been part of a Jump concerns, but implication is strong if you try to single Jump from Trantor to Terminus you might well end up half-way to Andromeda (exagerated for laughs).

          • The actual point in space where the ship is after the Jump needs to be used as input to re-calculate again the next jump in the series. I kind of rmember this was expected to be easy, but in the hours range.

          So in short, a hyperspace trip is a pre-calculated set of jumps which tries to reach a perfect compromise between distance in each jump and minimizing emergence errors, but after each of the jumps the remaining jumps need to be recalculated again with actual coordinates.






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          • +1. This makes perfect sense + the Empire has begin falling some time before Trevize's journey and I assume the technology was less advanced, thus making even harder to move armies across the Galaxy.

            – Alexei
            4 hours ago






          • 3





            It is mentioned several times that trips can take weeks if not months to complete.

            – JRE
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            History repeats itself: the Empire in this regard resembles the Roman Empire in that troops can take weeks or months to traverse it, hence it's non-trivial to secure the borders.

            – Rebel-Scum
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            @Rebel-Scum that resemblance was not an accident.

            – Daniel Roseman
            1 hour ago











          • @DanielRoseman Indeed, if I remember well Asimov stated at some moment one of the main sources of inspiration for the original trilogy was Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

            – Seretba
            13 mins ago













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          When describing Trevize's ship capabilities and performance in "Foundation's Edge", he is awestruck at the way the ship can chain jumps with computation time close to zero and deviation from target coordinates also nelligible, thus pointing to should-be normal, expected behaviour of a ship in-universe.



          • End point of the Jump needs to be accurately calculated in advance. Upon emergence in normal space, actual end point of emergence needs to be validated in the assumption a significant deviation from expected point has happened. This is easy but not instantaneous.

          • The longer the Jump, the bigger the deviation. I don't remember energy constraints been part of a Jump concerns, but implication is strong if you try to single Jump from Trantor to Terminus you might well end up half-way to Andromeda (exagerated for laughs).

          • The actual point in space where the ship is after the Jump needs to be used as input to re-calculate again the next jump in the series. I kind of rmember this was expected to be easy, but in the hours range.

          So in short, a hyperspace trip is a pre-calculated set of jumps which tries to reach a perfect compromise between distance in each jump and minimizing emergence errors, but after each of the jumps the remaining jumps need to be recalculated again with actual coordinates.






          share|improve this answer













          When describing Trevize's ship capabilities and performance in "Foundation's Edge", he is awestruck at the way the ship can chain jumps with computation time close to zero and deviation from target coordinates also nelligible, thus pointing to should-be normal, expected behaviour of a ship in-universe.



          • End point of the Jump needs to be accurately calculated in advance. Upon emergence in normal space, actual end point of emergence needs to be validated in the assumption a significant deviation from expected point has happened. This is easy but not instantaneous.

          • The longer the Jump, the bigger the deviation. I don't remember energy constraints been part of a Jump concerns, but implication is strong if you try to single Jump from Trantor to Terminus you might well end up half-way to Andromeda (exagerated for laughs).

          • The actual point in space where the ship is after the Jump needs to be used as input to re-calculate again the next jump in the series. I kind of rmember this was expected to be easy, but in the hours range.

          So in short, a hyperspace trip is a pre-calculated set of jumps which tries to reach a perfect compromise between distance in each jump and minimizing emergence errors, but after each of the jumps the remaining jumps need to be recalculated again with actual coordinates.







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          • +1. This makes perfect sense + the Empire has begin falling some time before Trevize's journey and I assume the technology was less advanced, thus making even harder to move armies across the Galaxy.

            – Alexei
            4 hours ago






          • 3





            It is mentioned several times that trips can take weeks if not months to complete.

            – JRE
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            History repeats itself: the Empire in this regard resembles the Roman Empire in that troops can take weeks or months to traverse it, hence it's non-trivial to secure the borders.

            – Rebel-Scum
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            @Rebel-Scum that resemblance was not an accident.

            – Daniel Roseman
            1 hour ago











          • @DanielRoseman Indeed, if I remember well Asimov stated at some moment one of the main sources of inspiration for the original trilogy was Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

            – Seretba
            13 mins ago

















          • +1. This makes perfect sense + the Empire has begin falling some time before Trevize's journey and I assume the technology was less advanced, thus making even harder to move armies across the Galaxy.

            – Alexei
            4 hours ago






          • 3





            It is mentioned several times that trips can take weeks if not months to complete.

            – JRE
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            History repeats itself: the Empire in this regard resembles the Roman Empire in that troops can take weeks or months to traverse it, hence it's non-trivial to secure the borders.

            – Rebel-Scum
            3 hours ago






          • 3





            @Rebel-Scum that resemblance was not an accident.

            – Daniel Roseman
            1 hour ago











          • @DanielRoseman Indeed, if I remember well Asimov stated at some moment one of the main sources of inspiration for the original trilogy was Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

            – Seretba
            13 mins ago
















          +1. This makes perfect sense + the Empire has begin falling some time before Trevize's journey and I assume the technology was less advanced, thus making even harder to move armies across the Galaxy.

          – Alexei
          4 hours ago





          +1. This makes perfect sense + the Empire has begin falling some time before Trevize's journey and I assume the technology was less advanced, thus making even harder to move armies across the Galaxy.

          – Alexei
          4 hours ago




          3




          3





          It is mentioned several times that trips can take weeks if not months to complete.

          – JRE
          3 hours ago





          It is mentioned several times that trips can take weeks if not months to complete.

          – JRE
          3 hours ago




          3




          3





          History repeats itself: the Empire in this regard resembles the Roman Empire in that troops can take weeks or months to traverse it, hence it's non-trivial to secure the borders.

          – Rebel-Scum
          3 hours ago





          History repeats itself: the Empire in this regard resembles the Roman Empire in that troops can take weeks or months to traverse it, hence it's non-trivial to secure the borders.

          – Rebel-Scum
          3 hours ago




          3




          3





          @Rebel-Scum that resemblance was not an accident.

          – Daniel Roseman
          1 hour ago





          @Rebel-Scum that resemblance was not an accident.

          – Daniel Roseman
          1 hour ago













          @DanielRoseman Indeed, if I remember well Asimov stated at some moment one of the main sources of inspiration for the original trilogy was Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

          – Seretba
          13 mins ago





          @DanielRoseman Indeed, if I remember well Asimov stated at some moment one of the main sources of inspiration for the original trilogy was Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

          – Seretba
          13 mins ago










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