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Feather, the Redeemed and Dire Fleet Daredevil
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?If I cast Flicker on an unearthed creature, does it remain exiled?Does Cremate counter Flashback, Scavenge, and their ilk?How long does a creature returned by the Whip of Erebos remain on the battlefield?Does a card moving from Exile to Exile count as being moved?How does Hazoret's Undying Fury work with Aftermath cards?Flashback + Kess, Dissident MageTargeting instants with aftermath in a graveyardPlaying Desertion on a commanderHow does Underrealm Lich interact with Sidisi when drawing multiple cards?Underrealm Lich and Divination
It has already been clarified by WotC that Flashback and Aftermath will work with Feather, the Redeemed. Specifically, because you control both replacement effects, you choose which one resolves, allowing you to cast a Flashback card that targets your creature from the graveyard then exile it, and return it to your hand at the end of turn.
My question is about what this means for Dire Fleet Daredevil? Does the fact that it would not go to Your graveyard mean that Feather's replacement effect would not apply? Although the wording specifies "your graveyard" the language is not as clear as usual ("exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard", rather than "if that card would go to your graveyard, exile it"), so it leaves open the possibility of putting a card you don't own in your hand...
*Feather, the Redeemed is in War of the Spark which will be released on May 3rd, 2019 and will not be in gatherer until that day.
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It has already been clarified by WotC that Flashback and Aftermath will work with Feather, the Redeemed. Specifically, because you control both replacement effects, you choose which one resolves, allowing you to cast a Flashback card that targets your creature from the graveyard then exile it, and return it to your hand at the end of turn.
My question is about what this means for Dire Fleet Daredevil? Does the fact that it would not go to Your graveyard mean that Feather's replacement effect would not apply? Although the wording specifies "your graveyard" the language is not as clear as usual ("exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard", rather than "if that card would go to your graveyard, exile it"), so it leaves open the possibility of putting a card you don't own in your hand...
*Feather, the Redeemed is in War of the Spark which will be released on May 3rd, 2019 and will not be in gatherer until that day.
magic-the-gathering
edited 3 hours ago
Joe W
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asked 3 hours ago
Soulus101Soulus101
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add a comment |
It has already been clarified by WotC that Flashback and Aftermath will work with Feather, the Redeemed. Specifically, because you control both replacement effects, you choose which one resolves, allowing you to cast a Flashback card that targets your creature from the graveyard then exile it, and return it to your hand at the end of turn.
My question is about what this means for Dire Fleet Daredevil? Does the fact that it would not go to Your graveyard mean that Feather's replacement effect would not apply? Although the wording specifies "your graveyard" the language is not as clear as usual ("exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard", rather than "if that card would go to your graveyard, exile it"), so it leaves open the possibility of putting a card you don't own in your hand...
*Feather, the Redeemed is in War of the Spark which will be released on May 3rd, 2019 and will not be in gatherer until that day.
magic-the-gathering
edited 3 hours ago
Joe W
9,20823352
asked 3 hours ago
Soulus101Soulus101
806
It has already been clarified by WotC that Flashback and Aftermath will work with Feather, the Redeemed. Specifically, because you control both replacement effects, you choose which one resolves, allowing you to cast a Flashback card that targets your creature from the graveyard then exile it, and return it to your hand at the end of turn.
My question is about what this means for Dire Fleet Daredevil? Does the fact that it would not go to Your graveyard mean that Feather's replacement effect would not apply? Although the wording specifies "your graveyard" the language is not as clear as usual ("exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard", rather than "if that card would go to your graveyard, exile it"), so it leaves open the possibility of putting a card you don't own in your hand...
*Feather, the Redeemed is in War of the Spark which will be released on May 3rd, 2019 and will not be in gatherer until that day.
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Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered 2 hours ago
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
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Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
2 hours ago
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
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Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered 2 hours ago
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.5k7122205
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
2 hours ago
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered 2 hours ago
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.5k7122205
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
2 hours ago
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered 2 hours ago
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.5k7122205
Feather's replacement effect does not apply to a card exiled and cast with Dire Fleet Daredevil.
Dire Fleet Daredevil specifically takes a card from an opponent's graveyard, so you do not own any card cast this way. Then the final step of resolving spells and abilities, rule 608.2k, says
As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell's resolution, the spell is put into its owner's graveyard. As the final part of an ability's resolution, the ability is removed from the stack and ceases to exist.
Since your opponent owns the card, it would be put into that players graveyard, not yours, in this step.
The exact wording of Feather's ability is as follows:
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets a creature you control, exile that card instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves. If you do, return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
Since the card would not be put into your graveyard at all, Feather's replacement effect does not apply and the card is exiled by Dire Fleet Daredevil's replacement effect.
If Feather's ability instead replaced the spell moving to any graveyard, it still wouldn't put the card into your hand. Rule 400.3 says
If an object would go to any library, graveyard, or hand other than its owner's, it goes to its owner's corresponding zone.
So, in that situation Feather's replacement effect would end up putting the card back into your opponents hand. This is almost always undesirable, so it's very likely that Feather's ability was purposely written to avoid that.
answered 2 hours ago
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.5k7122205
edited 2 hours ago
answered 2 hours ago
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.5k7122205
answered 2 hours ago
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.5k7122205
answered 2 hours ago
murgatroid99♦murgatroid99
48.5k7122205
48.5k7122205
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
2 hours ago
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
2 hours ago
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
Thanks, that is what I expected, but wondered if the wording was due to an assumption that as you are casting the card, you own it, rather than an explicit attempt to rule out the scenario I described.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
2 hours ago
Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter what the intention of the wording is, only what it actually says. In this case, they probably did it on purpose, because the alternative would be putting the card into the opponent's hand, because that's what would happen if you try to put a card they own into your hand (rule 400.3).
– murgatroid99♦
2 hours ago
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
Could you add that rule to your answer? My only experience with this effect is [mtg:X], but was not aware that it was an exception to the rule.
– Soulus101
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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