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Are sorcerers unable to use the Careful Spell metamagic option on themselves?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)Does using an Instrument of the Bards impose disadvantage on the saving throws against Compulsion?Can a Wild Magic Sorcerer use Tides of Chaos while unconscious at 0 Hit Points?Potent Cantrip vs EvasionWhen do I state that I want to use empowered spell?Can the first effect of Plane Shift work remotely with the Distant Spell metamagic option?Can Twinned Spell be used on Plane Shift when it's used to banish an unwilling creature to another plane?Is there a mechanism for reducing and controlling the damage of a spell?How does Elemental Affinity work with spells like Ice Knife?How does the Twinned Spell metamagic option interact with the Draconic Bloodline sorcerer's Elemental Affinity feature?Should this homebrew “Artillery Spell” advanced metamagic option be reworded or clarified?
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The sorcerer's Careful Spell metamagic option states the it applies to “other creatures”:
When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving
throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell full
force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a member of
those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one
creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving
throw against the spell.
Does that mean the caster can’t use it to protect himself from the effects of the spell if you happen to cast an AoE spell like ice storm?
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
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The sorcerer's Careful Spell metamagic option states the it applies to “other creatures”:
When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving
throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell full
force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a member of
those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one
creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving
throw against the spell.
Does that mean the caster can’t use it to protect himself from the effects of the spell if you happen to cast an AoE spell like ice storm?
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
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The sorcerer's Careful Spell metamagic option states the it applies to “other creatures”:
When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving
throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell full
force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a member of
those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one
creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving
throw against the spell.
Does that mean the caster can’t use it to protect himself from the effects of the spell if you happen to cast an AoE spell like ice storm?
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
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The sorcerer's Careful Spell metamagic option states the it applies to “other creatures”:
When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving
throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell full
force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a member of
those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one
creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving
throw against the spell.
Does that mean the caster can’t use it to protect himself from the effects of the spell if you happen to cast an AoE spell like ice storm?
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
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Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
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I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
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– Blake Steel
5 hours ago
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@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
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5 hours ago
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Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
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I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
5 hours ago
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@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
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– Vylix
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
$endgroup$
Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
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I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
5 hours ago
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