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Normally a household is connected with 3 different connections:



  • Waterpipes

  • Electric cables

  • Internet fiber

Water conducts electricity (and can also transport light), why aren't we transporting electricity using plastic water pipes instead of using copper cables?



If you somehow could use water for optical internet, that'd be a 3-in-1 solution.










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    In the UK, certainly, it's far more normal to have a gas supply pipe and a copper telephone line than an Internet fiber.
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    It would be far more efficient to utilize the water flow to drive a turbine to locally generate the power. The pumps that pressurize the water system would need more electricity to run, and the losses would be the friction / flow restriction in the pipes as well as the efficiency of converting electricity to and from kinetic energy.
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Normally a household is connected with 3 different connections:



  • Waterpipes

  • Electric cables

  • Internet fiber

Water conducts electricity (and can also transport light), why aren't we transporting electricity using plastic water pipes instead of using copper cables?



If you somehow could use water for optical internet, that'd be a 3-in-1 solution.










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    It would be far more efficient to utilize the water flow to drive a turbine to locally generate the power. The pumps that pressurize the water system would need more electricity to run, and the losses would be the friction / flow restriction in the pipes as well as the efficiency of converting electricity to and from kinetic energy.
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Normally a household is connected with 3 different connections:



  • Waterpipes

  • Electric cables

  • Internet fiber

Water conducts electricity (and can also transport light), why aren't we transporting electricity using plastic water pipes instead of using copper cables?



If you somehow could use water for optical internet, that'd be a 3-in-1 solution.










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Normally a household is connected with 3 different connections:



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  • Electric cables

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Water conducts electricity (and can also transport light), why aren't we transporting electricity using plastic water pipes instead of using copper cables?



If you somehow could use water for optical internet, that'd be a 3-in-1 solution.







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    It would be far more efficient to utilize the water flow to drive a turbine to locally generate the power. The pumps that pressurize the water system would need more electricity to run, and the losses would be the friction / flow restriction in the pipes as well as the efficiency of converting electricity to and from kinetic energy.
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    In the UK, certainly, it's far more normal to have a gas supply pipe and a copper telephone line than an Internet fiber.
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    You want the water coming in to your house electrified? Yikes!
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    It would be far more efficient to utilize the water flow to drive a turbine to locally generate the power. The pumps that pressurize the water system would need more electricity to run, and the losses would be the friction / flow restriction in the pipes as well as the efficiency of converting electricity to and from kinetic energy.
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It would be far more efficient to utilize the water flow to drive a turbine to locally generate the power. The pumps that pressurize the water system would need more electricity to run, and the losses would be the friction / flow restriction in the pipes as well as the efficiency of converting electricity to and from kinetic energy.
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It would be far more efficient to utilize the water flow to drive a turbine to locally generate the power. The pumps that pressurize the water system would need more electricity to run, and the losses would be the friction / flow restriction in the pipes as well as the efficiency of converting electricity to and from kinetic energy.
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Water, especially pure water, is a rather poor conductor of electricity. 5–50 mS/m for tap water vs. more like 6E+7 S/m for copper. That's about 10 orders of magnitude, so for the same losses as a 4 mm diameter AWG 6 wire your pipe would have to be 16,000 km in diameter, which would make plumbing somewhat inconvenient. You'd need a return conductor too.



That said, there are times when water (including groundwater) can be used to conduct electricity for transmission, at a cost in efficiency.






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It is not clear if you want to use the 'same' water pipes for drinking/showering and electricity.



Assumption 1: Same pipe with water for both water and electricity



Because if you would touch water that has too much voltage/current, you die.



Actually, what happens is:



  • Assuming the water has a voltage of 220 V (or 120 V in the US)

  • As soon as you touch the water, there will be (in most circumstances) a connection between the water (110/220 V) and ground (GND).

  • The electricity will flow through your body

  • Depending on the resistance more or less current will start to flow: through your body.

  • This high likely is way too much for your heart, or if not, burn wounds will occur.

Even if the water would have the voltage of a battery, you don't want to brush your teeth with water having a voltage different from ground.



Assumption 2: Different pipes with water for water and electricity



Water has much more electrical resistance than copper, which means it would cause a lot of voltage reduction after long pipes filled with water.



I think this is the main reason, other reasons can be (thinking out loud):



  • Water pipes can leak if broken

  • If a water pipe (plastic) is broken, dirt can get in, resulting in no or less good conductivity.

  • A copper wire always has a certain diameter which is fixed, with water it depends on the pressure of the pipe

  • Pressure is needed to keep the water on such a pressure there are no bubbles.

  • Water can freeze, possibly resulting in different conductivity properties

  • You need multiple pipes, if a pipe breaks the chance is that the water will be 'mixed' resulting in a short cut. A clean copper wire cut will not result directly in a short cut.

Assumption 3: Only inter-house/building pipes



(meaning only using water to distribute electricity within a single building/house).



  • Water generally doesn't go to the same end location as electricity. You don't need a socket near the toilet flush, and you don't need a tap near your TV set. So this is pointless, except maybe for the kitchen (see comment of dim below).





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    @MichelKeijzers I'm not knowledgeable enough to prove it with facts, but I'm pretty sure the answer ends like: "[...] so merging the water and electricity delivery infrastructures, trying to combine the constraints of each, would lead to much higher costs, and would be much less practical in terms of maintenance, than just having dedicated, appropriate channels for each of these services, which, by nature, are very different"... Or something like this...
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Water is a poor conductor. Its conductivity may suffice to electrocute yourself in your bathtub, but it's much, much worse than that of copper:



  • Drinking water: 0.005 – 0.05 S/m

  • Copper: 59600000 S/m (= 5.96×10^7 S/m)

This means that copper is conducting electricity one to ten billion times better than water. A water pipe is thicker than the wires of an electric cable, but this can't compensate such a huge difference.



Note that this answer is only about the conductivity. Safety and other aspects haven't even been mentioned.






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Let us assume that the water is hard (ie with a modest amount of calcium in)... the resistance of the water will be modest, but maybe for short distances it'll "be ok".



Once the water gets to your house, you want to remove any potential difference to ground before anyone can touch the water - which would mean that you would have to have a section that is connected to ground and the water.



If you do this, the amount of power you can extract from the electricity is limited because you have been required to short your mains to keep it safe... and a load placed across a short isn't going to be able to draw much.



Further to this, now that you've had to short the mains, there will be a current continually running - meaning a huge amount of power will be wasted.



It gets worse.



Passing a current through water will result in electrolysis resulting in a build up of hydrogen and oxygen in the pipe. Highly reactive gasses in a confined area is what results in explosions.






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    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    Your concept results in a short circuit to the grid with no power transfer.



    Two big theoretical problems: High VAR load and water flow restriction



    although water has Dk=80 the electrodes in C/2 must be large Area/gap to create a large capacitance.



    • thus the small gap would restrict flow of water.

    • and the shunt capacitance across the grid now acts as a reactive load which although is opposite 90 deg phase to inductive loads would refult in very poor Power Factor and high VAR losses





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    Water, especially pure water, is a rather poor conductor of electricity. 5–50 mS/m for tap water vs. more like 6E+7 S/m for copper. That's about 10 orders of magnitude, so for the same losses as a 4 mm diameter AWG 6 wire your pipe would have to be 16,000 km in diameter, which would make plumbing somewhat inconvenient. You'd need a return conductor too.



    That said, there are times when water (including groundwater) can be used to conduct electricity for transmission, at a cost in efficiency.






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    That said, there are times when water (including groundwater) can be used to conduct electricity for transmission, at a cost in efficiency.






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    That said, there are times when water (including groundwater) can be used to conduct electricity for transmission, at a cost in efficiency.






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    Water, especially pure water, is a rather poor conductor of electricity. 5–50 mS/m for tap water vs. more like 6E+7 S/m for copper. That's about 10 orders of magnitude, so for the same losses as a 4 mm diameter AWG 6 wire your pipe would have to be 16,000 km in diameter, which would make plumbing somewhat inconvenient. You'd need a return conductor too.



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    It is not clear if you want to use the 'same' water pipes for drinking/showering and electricity.



    Assumption 1: Same pipe with water for both water and electricity



    Because if you would touch water that has too much voltage/current, you die.



    Actually, what happens is:



    • Assuming the water has a voltage of 220 V (or 120 V in the US)

    • As soon as you touch the water, there will be (in most circumstances) a connection between the water (110/220 V) and ground (GND).

    • The electricity will flow through your body

    • Depending on the resistance more or less current will start to flow: through your body.

    • This high likely is way too much for your heart, or if not, burn wounds will occur.

    Even if the water would have the voltage of a battery, you don't want to brush your teeth with water having a voltage different from ground.



    Assumption 2: Different pipes with water for water and electricity



    Water has much more electrical resistance than copper, which means it would cause a lot of voltage reduction after long pipes filled with water.



    I think this is the main reason, other reasons can be (thinking out loud):



    • Water pipes can leak if broken

    • If a water pipe (plastic) is broken, dirt can get in, resulting in no or less good conductivity.

    • A copper wire always has a certain diameter which is fixed, with water it depends on the pressure of the pipe

    • Pressure is needed to keep the water on such a pressure there are no bubbles.

    • Water can freeze, possibly resulting in different conductivity properties

    • You need multiple pipes, if a pipe breaks the chance is that the water will be 'mixed' resulting in a short cut. A clean copper wire cut will not result directly in a short cut.

    Assumption 3: Only inter-house/building pipes



    (meaning only using water to distribute electricity within a single building/house).



    • Water generally doesn't go to the same end location as electricity. You don't need a socket near the toilet flush, and you don't need a tap near your TV set. So this is pointless, except maybe for the kitchen (see comment of dim below).





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      @MichelKeijzers I'm not knowledgeable enough to prove it with facts, but I'm pretty sure the answer ends like: "[...] so merging the water and electricity delivery infrastructures, trying to combine the constraints of each, would lead to much higher costs, and would be much less practical in terms of maintenance, than just having dedicated, appropriate channels for each of these services, which, by nature, are very different"... Or something like this...
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    It is not clear if you want to use the 'same' water pipes for drinking/showering and electricity.



    Assumption 1: Same pipe with water for both water and electricity



    Because if you would touch water that has too much voltage/current, you die.



    Actually, what happens is:



    • Assuming the water has a voltage of 220 V (or 120 V in the US)

    • As soon as you touch the water, there will be (in most circumstances) a connection between the water (110/220 V) and ground (GND).

    • The electricity will flow through your body

    • Depending on the resistance more or less current will start to flow: through your body.

    • This high likely is way too much for your heart, or if not, burn wounds will occur.

    Even if the water would have the voltage of a battery, you don't want to brush your teeth with water having a voltage different from ground.



    Assumption 2: Different pipes with water for water and electricity



    Water has much more electrical resistance than copper, which means it would cause a lot of voltage reduction after long pipes filled with water.



    I think this is the main reason, other reasons can be (thinking out loud):



    • Water pipes can leak if broken

    • If a water pipe (plastic) is broken, dirt can get in, resulting in no or less good conductivity.

    • A copper wire always has a certain diameter which is fixed, with water it depends on the pressure of the pipe

    • Pressure is needed to keep the water on such a pressure there are no bubbles.

    • Water can freeze, possibly resulting in different conductivity properties

    • You need multiple pipes, if a pipe breaks the chance is that the water will be 'mixed' resulting in a short cut. A clean copper wire cut will not result directly in a short cut.

    Assumption 3: Only inter-house/building pipes



    (meaning only using water to distribute electricity within a single building/house).



    • Water generally doesn't go to the same end location as electricity. You don't need a socket near the toilet flush, and you don't need a tap near your TV set. So this is pointless, except maybe for the kitchen (see comment of dim below).





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    It is not clear if you want to use the 'same' water pipes for drinking/showering and electricity.



    Assumption 1: Same pipe with water for both water and electricity



    Because if you would touch water that has too much voltage/current, you die.



    Actually, what happens is:



    • Assuming the water has a voltage of 220 V (or 120 V in the US)

    • As soon as you touch the water, there will be (in most circumstances) a connection between the water (110/220 V) and ground (GND).

    • The electricity will flow through your body

    • Depending on the resistance more or less current will start to flow: through your body.

    • This high likely is way too much for your heart, or if not, burn wounds will occur.

    Even if the water would have the voltage of a battery, you don't want to brush your teeth with water having a voltage different from ground.



    Assumption 2: Different pipes with water for water and electricity



    Water has much more electrical resistance than copper, which means it would cause a lot of voltage reduction after long pipes filled with water.



    I think this is the main reason, other reasons can be (thinking out loud):



    • Water pipes can leak if broken

    • If a water pipe (plastic) is broken, dirt can get in, resulting in no or less good conductivity.

    • A copper wire always has a certain diameter which is fixed, with water it depends on the pressure of the pipe

    • Pressure is needed to keep the water on such a pressure there are no bubbles.

    • Water can freeze, possibly resulting in different conductivity properties

    • You need multiple pipes, if a pipe breaks the chance is that the water will be 'mixed' resulting in a short cut. A clean copper wire cut will not result directly in a short cut.

    Assumption 3: Only inter-house/building pipes



    (meaning only using water to distribute electricity within a single building/house).



    • Water generally doesn't go to the same end location as electricity. You don't need a socket near the toilet flush, and you don't need a tap near your TV set. So this is pointless, except maybe for the kitchen (see comment of dim below).





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    It is not clear if you want to use the 'same' water pipes for drinking/showering and electricity.



    Assumption 1: Same pipe with water for both water and electricity



    Because if you would touch water that has too much voltage/current, you die.



    Actually, what happens is:



    • Assuming the water has a voltage of 220 V (or 120 V in the US)

    • As soon as you touch the water, there will be (in most circumstances) a connection between the water (110/220 V) and ground (GND).

    • The electricity will flow through your body

    • Depending on the resistance more or less current will start to flow: through your body.

    • This high likely is way too much for your heart, or if not, burn wounds will occur.

    Even if the water would have the voltage of a battery, you don't want to brush your teeth with water having a voltage different from ground.



    Assumption 2: Different pipes with water for water and electricity



    Water has much more electrical resistance than copper, which means it would cause a lot of voltage reduction after long pipes filled with water.



    I think this is the main reason, other reasons can be (thinking out loud):



    • Water pipes can leak if broken

    • If a water pipe (plastic) is broken, dirt can get in, resulting in no or less good conductivity.

    • A copper wire always has a certain diameter which is fixed, with water it depends on the pressure of the pipe

    • Pressure is needed to keep the water on such a pressure there are no bubbles.

    • Water can freeze, possibly resulting in different conductivity properties

    • You need multiple pipes, if a pipe breaks the chance is that the water will be 'mixed' resulting in a short cut. A clean copper wire cut will not result directly in a short cut.

    Assumption 3: Only inter-house/building pipes



    (meaning only using water to distribute electricity within a single building/house).



    • Water generally doesn't go to the same end location as electricity. You don't need a socket near the toilet flush, and you don't need a tap near your TV set. So this is pointless, except maybe for the kitchen (see comment of dim below).






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    answered 2 hours ago









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      Not "power." Voltage.
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      – JRE
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      @JRE of course... updated, thanks for the remark.
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      – Michel Keijzers
      2 hours ago






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      Would not be just the shower gel to add a "zing" to your day then :)
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      – Solar Mike
      2 hours ago






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      @MichelKeijzers I'm not knowledgeable enough to prove it with facts, but I'm pretty sure the answer ends like: "[...] so merging the water and electricity delivery infrastructures, trying to combine the constraints of each, would lead to much higher costs, and would be much less practical in terms of maintenance, than just having dedicated, appropriate channels for each of these services, which, by nature, are very different"... Or something like this...
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      Very likely yes, or even worse: incredibly unsafe situations.
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      – Michel Keijzers
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      $begingroup$
      Not "power." Voltage.
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      – JRE
      2 hours ago










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      @JRE of course... updated, thanks for the remark.
      $endgroup$
      – Michel Keijzers
      2 hours ago






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      Would not be just the shower gel to add a "zing" to your day then :)
      $endgroup$
      – Solar Mike
      2 hours ago






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      @MichelKeijzers I'm not knowledgeable enough to prove it with facts, but I'm pretty sure the answer ends like: "[...] so merging the water and electricity delivery infrastructures, trying to combine the constraints of each, would lead to much higher costs, and would be much less practical in terms of maintenance, than just having dedicated, appropriate channels for each of these services, which, by nature, are very different"... Or something like this...
      $endgroup$
      – dim
      1 hour ago






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      $begingroup$
      Very likely yes, or even worse: incredibly unsafe situations.
      $endgroup$
      – Michel Keijzers
      1 hour ago







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    $begingroup$
    Not "power." Voltage.
    $endgroup$
    – JRE
    2 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Not "power." Voltage.
    $endgroup$
    – JRE
    2 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    @JRE of course... updated, thanks for the remark.
    $endgroup$
    – Michel Keijzers
    2 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @JRE of course... updated, thanks for the remark.
    $endgroup$
    – Michel Keijzers
    2 hours ago




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    Would not be just the shower gel to add a "zing" to your day then :)
    $endgroup$
    – Solar Mike
    2 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Would not be just the shower gel to add a "zing" to your day then :)
    $endgroup$
    – Solar Mike
    2 hours ago




    1




    1




    $begingroup$
    @MichelKeijzers I'm not knowledgeable enough to prove it with facts, but I'm pretty sure the answer ends like: "[...] so merging the water and electricity delivery infrastructures, trying to combine the constraints of each, would lead to much higher costs, and would be much less practical in terms of maintenance, than just having dedicated, appropriate channels for each of these services, which, by nature, are very different"... Or something like this...
    $endgroup$
    – dim
    1 hour ago




    $begingroup$
    @MichelKeijzers I'm not knowledgeable enough to prove it with facts, but I'm pretty sure the answer ends like: "[...] so merging the water and electricity delivery infrastructures, trying to combine the constraints of each, would lead to much higher costs, and would be much less practical in terms of maintenance, than just having dedicated, appropriate channels for each of these services, which, by nature, are very different"... Or something like this...
    $endgroup$
    – dim
    1 hour ago




    1




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    $begingroup$
    Very likely yes, or even worse: incredibly unsafe situations.
    $endgroup$
    – Michel Keijzers
    1 hour ago




    $begingroup$
    Very likely yes, or even worse: incredibly unsafe situations.
    $endgroup$
    – Michel Keijzers
    1 hour ago











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    Water is a poor conductor. Its conductivity may suffice to electrocute yourself in your bathtub, but it's much, much worse than that of copper:



    • Drinking water: 0.005 – 0.05 S/m

    • Copper: 59600000 S/m (= 5.96×10^7 S/m)

    This means that copper is conducting electricity one to ten billion times better than water. A water pipe is thicker than the wires of an electric cable, but this can't compensate such a huge difference.



    Note that this answer is only about the conductivity. Safety and other aspects haven't even been mentioned.






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    • $begingroup$
      +1 for using Siemens like we all shoud know what it is (we should!)
      $endgroup$
      – Harper
      29 secs ago















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    $begingroup$

    Water is a poor conductor. Its conductivity may suffice to electrocute yourself in your bathtub, but it's much, much worse than that of copper:



    • Drinking water: 0.005 – 0.05 S/m

    • Copper: 59600000 S/m (= 5.96×10^7 S/m)

    This means that copper is conducting electricity one to ten billion times better than water. A water pipe is thicker than the wires of an electric cable, but this can't compensate such a huge difference.



    Note that this answer is only about the conductivity. Safety and other aspects haven't even been mentioned.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$












    • $begingroup$
      +1 for using Siemens like we all shoud know what it is (we should!)
      $endgroup$
      – Harper
      29 secs ago













    1












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    1





    $begingroup$

    Water is a poor conductor. Its conductivity may suffice to electrocute yourself in your bathtub, but it's much, much worse than that of copper:



    • Drinking water: 0.005 – 0.05 S/m

    • Copper: 59600000 S/m (= 5.96×10^7 S/m)

    This means that copper is conducting electricity one to ten billion times better than water. A water pipe is thicker than the wires of an electric cable, but this can't compensate such a huge difference.



    Note that this answer is only about the conductivity. Safety and other aspects haven't even been mentioned.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$



    Water is a poor conductor. Its conductivity may suffice to electrocute yourself in your bathtub, but it's much, much worse than that of copper:



    • Drinking water: 0.005 – 0.05 S/m

    • Copper: 59600000 S/m (= 5.96×10^7 S/m)

    This means that copper is conducting electricity one to ten billion times better than water. A water pipe is thicker than the wires of an electric cable, but this can't compensate such a huge difference.



    Note that this answer is only about the conductivity. Safety and other aspects haven't even been mentioned.







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    answered 39 mins ago









    Frank from FrankfurtFrank from Frankfurt

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    • $begingroup$
      +1 for using Siemens like we all shoud know what it is (we should!)
      $endgroup$
      – Harper
      29 secs ago
















    • $begingroup$
      +1 for using Siemens like we all shoud know what it is (we should!)
      $endgroup$
      – Harper
      29 secs ago















    $begingroup$
    +1 for using Siemens like we all shoud know what it is (we should!)
    $endgroup$
    – Harper
    29 secs ago




    $begingroup$
    +1 for using Siemens like we all shoud know what it is (we should!)
    $endgroup$
    – Harper
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    Let us assume that the water is hard (ie with a modest amount of calcium in)... the resistance of the water will be modest, but maybe for short distances it'll "be ok".



    Once the water gets to your house, you want to remove any potential difference to ground before anyone can touch the water - which would mean that you would have to have a section that is connected to ground and the water.



    If you do this, the amount of power you can extract from the electricity is limited because you have been required to short your mains to keep it safe... and a load placed across a short isn't going to be able to draw much.



    Further to this, now that you've had to short the mains, there will be a current continually running - meaning a huge amount of power will be wasted.



    It gets worse.



    Passing a current through water will result in electrolysis resulting in a build up of hydrogen and oxygen in the pipe. Highly reactive gasses in a confined area is what results in explosions.






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      $begingroup$

      Let us assume that the water is hard (ie with a modest amount of calcium in)... the resistance of the water will be modest, but maybe for short distances it'll "be ok".



      Once the water gets to your house, you want to remove any potential difference to ground before anyone can touch the water - which would mean that you would have to have a section that is connected to ground and the water.



      If you do this, the amount of power you can extract from the electricity is limited because you have been required to short your mains to keep it safe... and a load placed across a short isn't going to be able to draw much.



      Further to this, now that you've had to short the mains, there will be a current continually running - meaning a huge amount of power will be wasted.



      It gets worse.



      Passing a current through water will result in electrolysis resulting in a build up of hydrogen and oxygen in the pipe. Highly reactive gasses in a confined area is what results in explosions.






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        0












        0








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        $begingroup$

        Let us assume that the water is hard (ie with a modest amount of calcium in)... the resistance of the water will be modest, but maybe for short distances it'll "be ok".



        Once the water gets to your house, you want to remove any potential difference to ground before anyone can touch the water - which would mean that you would have to have a section that is connected to ground and the water.



        If you do this, the amount of power you can extract from the electricity is limited because you have been required to short your mains to keep it safe... and a load placed across a short isn't going to be able to draw much.



        Further to this, now that you've had to short the mains, there will be a current continually running - meaning a huge amount of power will be wasted.



        It gets worse.



        Passing a current through water will result in electrolysis resulting in a build up of hydrogen and oxygen in the pipe. Highly reactive gasses in a confined area is what results in explosions.






        share|improve this answer









        $endgroup$



        Let us assume that the water is hard (ie with a modest amount of calcium in)... the resistance of the water will be modest, but maybe for short distances it'll "be ok".



        Once the water gets to your house, you want to remove any potential difference to ground before anyone can touch the water - which would mean that you would have to have a section that is connected to ground and the water.



        If you do this, the amount of power you can extract from the electricity is limited because you have been required to short your mains to keep it safe... and a load placed across a short isn't going to be able to draw much.



        Further to this, now that you've had to short the mains, there will be a current continually running - meaning a huge amount of power will be wasted.



        It gets worse.



        Passing a current through water will result in electrolysis resulting in a build up of hydrogen and oxygen in the pipe. Highly reactive gasses in a confined area is what results in explosions.







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        answered 58 mins ago









        UKMonkeyUKMonkey

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            schematic





            simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



            Your concept results in a short circuit to the grid with no power transfer.



            Two big theoretical problems: High VAR load and water flow restriction



            although water has Dk=80 the electrodes in C/2 must be large Area/gap to create a large capacitance.



            • thus the small gap would restrict flow of water.

            • and the shunt capacitance across the grid now acts as a reactive load which although is opposite 90 deg phase to inductive loads would refult in very poor Power Factor and high VAR losses





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            • $begingroup$
              How does the diagram relate to the question? I don’t know much about circuit diagrams
              $endgroup$
              – Jonathan Lam
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            • $begingroup$
              If you do not know about VAR loads or circuit diagrams then you cannot understand the concept of a reactive load. to create the low capacitive impedance to transmit power at low frequency. This only works for microwave antenna stripline for impedance matching ( no water)
              $endgroup$
              – Sunnyskyguy EE75
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            $begingroup$



            schematic





            simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



            Your concept results in a short circuit to the grid with no power transfer.



            Two big theoretical problems: High VAR load and water flow restriction



            although water has Dk=80 the electrodes in C/2 must be large Area/gap to create a large capacitance.



            • thus the small gap would restrict flow of water.

            • and the shunt capacitance across the grid now acts as a reactive load which although is opposite 90 deg phase to inductive loads would refult in very poor Power Factor and high VAR losses





            share|improve this answer











            $endgroup$












            • $begingroup$
              How does the diagram relate to the question? I don’t know much about circuit diagrams
              $endgroup$
              – Jonathan Lam
              1 hour ago










            • $begingroup$
              If you do not know about VAR loads or circuit diagrams then you cannot understand the concept of a reactive load. to create the low capacitive impedance to transmit power at low frequency. This only works for microwave antenna stripline for impedance matching ( no water)
              $endgroup$
              – Sunnyskyguy EE75
              55 mins ago














            -1












            -1








            -1





            $begingroup$



            schematic





            simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



            Your concept results in a short circuit to the grid with no power transfer.



            Two big theoretical problems: High VAR load and water flow restriction



            although water has Dk=80 the electrodes in C/2 must be large Area/gap to create a large capacitance.



            • thus the small gap would restrict flow of water.

            • and the shunt capacitance across the grid now acts as a reactive load which although is opposite 90 deg phase to inductive loads would refult in very poor Power Factor and high VAR losses





            share|improve this answer











            $endgroup$





            schematic





            simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



            Your concept results in a short circuit to the grid with no power transfer.



            Two big theoretical problems: High VAR load and water flow restriction



            although water has Dk=80 the electrodes in C/2 must be large Area/gap to create a large capacitance.



            • thus the small gap would restrict flow of water.

            • and the shunt capacitance across the grid now acts as a reactive load which although is opposite 90 deg phase to inductive loads would refult in very poor Power Factor and high VAR losses






            share|improve this answer














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            • $begingroup$
              How does the diagram relate to the question? I don’t know much about circuit diagrams
              $endgroup$
              – Jonathan Lam
              1 hour ago










            • $begingroup$
              If you do not know about VAR loads or circuit diagrams then you cannot understand the concept of a reactive load. to create the low capacitive impedance to transmit power at low frequency. This only works for microwave antenna stripline for impedance matching ( no water)
              $endgroup$
              – Sunnyskyguy EE75
              55 mins ago

















            • $begingroup$
              How does the diagram relate to the question? I don’t know much about circuit diagrams
              $endgroup$
              – Jonathan Lam
              1 hour ago










            • $begingroup$
              If you do not know about VAR loads or circuit diagrams then you cannot understand the concept of a reactive load. to create the low capacitive impedance to transmit power at low frequency. This only works for microwave antenna stripline for impedance matching ( no water)
              $endgroup$
              – Sunnyskyguy EE75
              55 mins ago
















            $begingroup$
            How does the diagram relate to the question? I don’t know much about circuit diagrams
            $endgroup$
            – Jonathan Lam
            1 hour ago




            $begingroup$
            How does the diagram relate to the question? I don’t know much about circuit diagrams
            $endgroup$
            – Jonathan Lam
            1 hour ago












            $begingroup$
            If you do not know about VAR loads or circuit diagrams then you cannot understand the concept of a reactive load. to create the low capacitive impedance to transmit power at low frequency. This only works for microwave antenna stripline for impedance matching ( no water)
            $endgroup$
            – Sunnyskyguy EE75
            55 mins ago





            $begingroup$
            If you do not know about VAR loads or circuit diagrams then you cannot understand the concept of a reactive load. to create the low capacitive impedance to transmit power at low frequency. This only works for microwave antenna stripline for impedance matching ( no water)
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